Using Mr. Super Clear in Cold Weather: Sealant Tips for Winter

I've used my spray cans outside in winter, however usually in the garage or on the porch. The heat from the house makes it warm enough the spray worked fine, no weird white flaking MSC or anything. :3

 

If you must spray in humidity...
Spray outside, immediately bring peice inside ^^;; and reall ymake sure the peice is clean and doesnt have any oils from your fingers on it. Meaning hang it on a string or something similar that you can turn the peice with withough touching it.

 

Noob question alert! ops:

I have never done a face-up before, and I got my first doll a week ago.
His default make-up is beautiful, but to cute-looking for his style, so I wanna make a more gothic/visual make-up.

ANYWAY what I wanted to ask is does anybody now how MSC reacts if you use it in cold weather?? I live in Sweden and it is getting pretty cold these days....
I mean I know I shouldn't use it when it is high humidity, but I am not sure about how cold temperature reacts with MSC...

Oh yeah and another question while I am at it: what type of glue is okay to use for putting on the eyelashes?? I am planning to put on eyelashes that are meant for humans (I just will cut them a bit so they fit, but I want loooong eyelashes on my boy) and is it okay to use the glue that comes with those eyeslashes?

 

So long as you're not out in sub zero weather you should be okay... I sprayed in after blizzard conditions last winter. However, I have a covered balcony and I sprayed there, so it stays a good 10 degrees warmer than the actual temperature.

 

batchix Oh okay, it is not below zero here yet, though it is a bit rainy so I will have to wait a few days until I can do the face-up, hopefully it won't get any colder until then!!! ^_^; Thanks for the info anyway! ^_^

 

You should be okay, it was pretty cold last night when I redid Satoru's faceup ^^;

Just make sure that it completely sets up before you do anything (which goes without saying period, I would think, but I state the obvious -_-. . . sometimes temperature affects the set up time . . . though mostly it's humid weather that does that to me . . . .

 

when it's... oh just look at the picture



Sigh. Does anyone have any suggestions? It's winter where I live right now and this is going to be the temperature for the next 4-5 months. It's not really safe to spray inside is it?

edit: and... any suggestions on fully stripping my baby of the flakey coating? I can't peel it all off as some of it did manage to stick to her..

 

Oh, gosh I can't wait until April/May to coat her D: .... hmm... I wonder if it would be alright to spray her in a bathtub, open the windows and blow a fan? Then after she's dry I could take her out and turn the shower head on to wash away the excess MSC from the tub o.o. It would still be rather cold... but not as bad as outside... hmm hmm... I'm just really paranoid about killing myself lol o.O if I die I can't get more BJD.

And thanks for the tips I'll go try stripping her then...

 

Sorry, that amused me for some reason.


Anyways, I did Lucas's face-up (and Chris's) the one morning it was like 40*F down here in Florida and had some of it chip off as well, but nothing like that! :O

If you had access to a garage I would recommend that...otherwise waiting I guess. I doubt spraying out in the sunlight up there would make much of a temperature difference. Even when it's cold down ehre if you sit the sun it's a noticeable difference!

Good luck!

 

I was about to suggest that same thing. XD

I think it should be fine, just make sure the windows are open and you stuff a towel under the door. I bet it will all clear out in an hour.

 

I spray inside all the time, and I use Testors and MSC...I just have my ceiling fans on....
I think people get too paranoid sometimes... people breath in toxic fumes everyday and don't even know it...
do you know microwaving food in a plastic bowl releases toxins???...

 

Hmm I just asked my dad if I could and he said no (you should see her now... the MSC flakes are falling off her body without even me touching it). He said he doesn't want it to stick to the bathtub ... but he said he'll take me to his auto body shop on Sunday so I can coat her in heat there... Sunnndaay... that's so far away! *Weeps* I want to hold her already xD; oh well... better than nothing...

Thanks for all the times

 

This is really entirely unrelated, but I sprayed my boy in a lab's chemical fume hood.

If you're in college and knows anyone who has access to a lab with one of those fume hoods, they're WONDERFUL. You can spray without standing a mile away or worry about weather or indoor/outdoor conditions, and the hood blocks out ALL the toxic fumes. The MSC also dries almost instantly because of the air rotation.

 

I spray inside too. I'm not too worried about the little amount of time I spend in MSC or resin fumes. Auto exhaust is worse, I'm sure, and we all breathe that all day. I just set up a cardboard box for a spray booth and away we go.

 

oh man, that sucks! if you have a guest bedroom that no one uses, spray in there, that's what i do! lol. I hope you get your baby all fixed up!

 

What I do is open a window in a room no one uses, and put one or 2 fans in the window blowing the air out. I do that when I'm curing my screen printing which gets very smoky and smelly and it works wonders!

 

lol. i run outside, spray my doll/head, run back inside and let her/him dry inside, and i havent had any badluck yet XD

 

Your dad already said no, so I guess this is moot, but if you're worried about toxins, getting a mask to cover your mouth and nose isn't too hard. Like... the masks doctors wear. Those'd probably do the trick and wouldn't be terribly expensive.

 

If you have an outlet in a garage - I'm a big devotee of space heaters. "Preheat" the area you'll be working in until it gets close to 60, spray, and then follow Hellsing365's advice about running inside to let it dry!

 

For removing the coating, I'd use either non acetone nail polish, windsor and newton brush cleaner or an acrylic paint thinner.

I wouldn't spray in the bathtub because any coating that doesn't stick to the doll WILL stick to the tub and won't wash off.

While a lot of the stuff we breathe in the air everyday may be worse for us than MSC, the shakes, cold sweats, headaches and breathing issues I'd get when spraying the stuff indoors were more than enough to convince me that it's probably not good for me to breathe even once in a while and to spray outside.

My best advise is to strip down the messed up coating and wait until you can go to your dad's shop. ^_^ Best for your lungs and your indoor fixtures.

 

Thanks for all the tips everyone ^.^~!!

I think I'll try and get her coating off today, then... maybe try spraying her outside, then rushing her inside to a room temperature place to dry... but open the windows and blow a fan...

Um... I was just thinking. I know it's dangerous to breathe in MSC, but how ok is it to touch the stuff after it's dry? Does all the dangerousness go away o.O? Isn't there still some left? I mean, cuz people who spray like resin kits or model cars or whatever... they don't really touch them afterwards, just display them... but our dollies o.o we touch them and drag them around everywhere and stuff!! Some people even sleep with them!! Is there any residue of the MSC that stays on the dollies that could like @A@ give you cancer or something???

 

err forum fart T_T; sorry for the double post.

 

My gut says no, but I could be wrong. I -think- most of the 'toxic' stuff evaporates after a bit, leaving only the coating behind. The coating itself should be fairly harmless. Wouldn't advise say...licking your dolls (eww!), but you should be able to handle them as normal.

 

You can also use nailpolish remover to get rid of MSC. *nodnod* I use both acetone type and non-acetone.

 

I believe it's the propellant and the size of the sprayed particles that is dangerous, and not the make up of the coating itself.

Like Sai suggested, avoid eating your doll and you shouldn't have toxin issues. ^_^

 

The solvent (toxic smell stuff) evaporates and dries, leaving the actual acryl coating behind.

You'll still notice a faint smell of newly-sprayed dolls for about half a day or so, but give it a day of airing out and they'll be fine.

 

What we do is spray in the bathroom. Using a mask while spraying, of course!

The pros of this is that you can open the window to air out the fumes between coatings, and you can close the door to avoid the fumes spreading throughout the house. And the bathroom is of course heated.

A heated garage would be even better, but alas we don't posess one...

 

If you can buy or borrow a respirator thingie made for vapors, it shouldn't be dangerous to you. You know, something like the hazmat people have?

Good Luck!

 

If you have a portable heater, you can spray her next to that so that the MSC doesn't freeze... if not, I would also suggest the spray and run method (spray outside then rush inside really fast to let her dry)

 

Well, why don't you get Testor's instead? oo Does it do the same thing?

 

Still has the propellent

 

I do the spray outside with parts on a wire, go inside and hang them up, and repeat and have had no problems, flaking or health wise.

 

I do this usually....dunno if it's a good way but I do it!



(A rather sombre thing- The harm from the gases in the spray wouldn't manifest for a long time, as cancers *generally* occur more often in older people. So one wouldn't know the harm one was doing. Similar to smoking I guess. Lung Cancer is also very difficult to treat successfully. Please invest in a good mask everyone, as it's not worth the risk!)

 

I've used testors in cold temperatures without trouble as long as I waited till they dried to bring them in. The change of temps would cause discolored spots and bubbles in the testors, but if I waited for it to dry then there'd be no problems. I did several face ups and body blushings last winter that are still holding up well. The drawback, of course, is standing outside in the freezing cold holding naked doll parts while they dried (I'm sure the neighbors think I'm crazy).

 

Wow... am I sick for thinking that looks cool? YAY FOR PEELING SKIN!!!

 

Well, I just coated my boy last night, and it was well under 20 F... But I don't spray outside. I open the window in my room, set up a fan FACING the window, and spray the head in the gap between the fan and the window. So the fan blows all the fumes outside, and then I place the head safely on my warm desk to dry between each coat. nn

 

hm if you have access to uni or high school with a fume hood you're good to go. Even a dark room lab should be good since they have gas masks (well they should) for when you're mixing the developer and whatnot.

Use mask and gloves if possible when spraying. over time since these chemicals are toxic you can cause serious harm (I used to be in darkroom all the time and one of the prog's collegues can no longer even be near the darkroom chemicals due to over exposure) Bathrooms might work, but I'd advise against using the ceiling fan since the outlet vent for that might be into some other part of the house. If you're sure it goes outside then it should be safe, plus warm XD Just as a heads up though it's nice to warn your family about what you're doing otherwise you'll get interruptions or someone wandering into fine MSC mists once you're done.

 

As a random side note...I use the bathtub in my apartment for spraying Testors (and now I use the Citadel Minitures stuff) It does stick to the bathtub...but then I don't slide around while taking a shower for a few weeks.

 

Hehehhehe, I do this too.....

 

When we were coating our dolls we pretty much just opened the back door and sprayed out, then just closed the door and let it dry inside. It's worked for us, even with the weather gettin' freaking cold. >.O Ewwww, winter.

 

*thought the same thing*

 

Question to all you spray-and-lopers: How are you positioning/holding the pieces so you can spray them evenly while losing body heat, get the entire surfaces done, and then race inside without having them bump against something else (other pieces, you, or the cat, for example)?

 

I just hold my arm out the back door and spray the piece personally. I hold the piece between two fingers and turn it, wearing gloves of course. >.O Bare hands and resin dollies dooooon't mix. I learned that one. My poor Kyo, so in need of a repaint for his little yellow face. ._.

 

So I finally got some MSC. Noone warned me what would happen if I used it in cold weather.
so this is what happened













Luckly it looks like I can remove it easily, I feel like an idiot like I should have know this was gonna happen . I guess I'll just start again.
Do not use MSC in cold weather EVER!!

 

How cold was it when you did that? x-x It's been in the 40~50's here and I need to redo my boy's faceup but I certainly don't want -that- to happen..

 

Not the OP, but I recently used MSC when it was about 8-13 Celsius, and while the results weren't *that* bad, he definitely had a little bit of crackling going on by his eyes. I'd just assumed it was because I had used far too much, but maybe it was the cold...?

 

MSC shouldn't be used when it's below the freezing point (-0C)...
That's what my -dad- told me before I did my first face up.....
.....I think it's the same for all varnish & paints??

 

I remember someone saying that they spray it on inside and let it dry outside even in the cold and it went fine. I think they were talking about Testors and it probably still wasn't below freezing. I can't remember where the thread was.

 

Thanks for the heads-up (pun intended) on MSC and cold weather. How about the other end of the temperature spectrum? Would it be unwise to use MSC on scalding hot days, or humid ones for that matter? Educate us!

 

Lol "heads up"
As for using MSC in extreme heat....I'm not sure I live in England and hot days are rare (although we did have a heatwave last summer) I personally wouldn't try it especially on humid days. I have used the stuff in a humid environment and pretty much the same sort of thing happened as using it in the cold or it refuses to dry at all. MSC is tricky stuff but a lot more predictable than Testors DC which has never worked right for me in any weather.

 

I've heard that it won't dry properly on reallly humid days.

 

Oh, I've had this happen. It was awful because I sparyed it on a face up I was quite proud of and had to take it all off! I learned my lesson!

 

MSC does best at a moderate temp (between something like 65-75F) and low humidity.

 

Ooh, thanks for the heads-up. How cold was it when you sprayed? I plan on re-doing my girl's face-up when I get home for the winter break next week, but I don't think the weather here in CA will get cold enough to the point the MSC is affected. We've actually had a fairly warm winter so far here. There was some rain yesterday and last weekend, but otherwise it's been pretty pleasant so far, certainly compared to last year.

I highly doubt that it will reach 40F though (the temp in the other thread). I'm not sure what those of you who live in the colder climates would have to do. I suppose spraying in a garage with an open window would work, but I wouldn't do it unless you have a respirator mask.

 

I think it was the other way around. They sprayed it outside and then ran inside to let it dry.

 

ech, i remember doing that to my poor girl. it came off pretty easily when i scrubbed at it under hot water, though- plus the resin felt a lot cleaner afterwards than it had when i got her. n_n don't worry, a lot of people seem to make this mistake.