Okay, so after years of having a love-hate (but mostly hate) relationship with wig-making, I've recently gotten back into it. I think my wig-making skills have improved and I'm actually starting to enjoy it more. So, a friend on Instagram mentioned making wigs with liquid latex and pointed me to a tutorial on how to do it, and I'm really eager to try it. I heard it's easier, faster, and it looks like I'll be able to make my wigs more streamlined. It's bothered me for a while that my wigs fit a little too loosely and tend to be pretty thick (I make my wig caps with fabric and fabric glue currently). So the question is, what kind of liquid latex will work? Or are they all so similar it doesn't matter? The exact brand that was used in the tutorial doesn't seem to be available in my country. I've found similar products (for making molds) but they're pretty pricey, and not only that, but I was really wanting something that dries clear rather than that amber color. My theory is that it might look more like scalp and look more natural if glimpsed through the hair (I know it might look kind of milky/white but I feel like that's okay since most people's scalps are paler than their skin anyway). Right now I'm looking at the much cheaper latex used for halloween makeup and based on reviews I'm reading it looks good, I'm just wondering if anyone knows a particular reason why it wouldn't work on dolls. I've looked and looked, but there are no articles on the exact difference between latex used for making molds and latex used for makeup. None. I think it's odd. The person who made the tutorial was super sweet when I asked about it and tried to help me find the answer, suggesting I use silicone. But I wasn't able to find any that wasn't the two components (besides caulk but I don't know, putting caulk on my doll's head just feels too weird somehow). If anyone has any thoughts I'm open to suggestions! Disclaimer: There were several threads where people mentioned liquid latex for wigs but I couldn't find one that addressed this specifically, but if there is a thread where I should have posted this instead, sorry in advance!
I can help with some of this. Let's start with types. Latex is a natural material and the emulsion used for liquid latex is at it's core very similar between brands. The type sold for moldmaking is usially sold in bigger bottles and therefore tend to be a lot cheaper than the stuff sold for special effects, but I know several people personally who do special effects and they tend to use the same stuff for both. The one thing that may differ is that sometimes the stuff sold for make up is allready tinted to resemble skin, while the moldmaking stuff is usually not. There may be a difference in viscosity between brands and some may have a record of ageing differently, but more in that later. In essence, it's all the same stuff. The colour: Latex will always get that amber colour. The way I undestand it, what we see is actually oxidization, much like when the polyurethane of our dolls yellow with age. It can't be avoided, it happens upon contact with oxygen. The latex is fairly transparent and in thin layers the colour won't show up much. It's when you start to build a bit of thickness that it becomes visible. It also darkens a little bit over time. It is possible to tint latex. latex based hobby paints work fairly well for this and so does other types of acrylic paint, but be aware that there are often things in the paint that speeds up the breaking down of the latex, shortening it's lifespan. Witch brings us to ageing. This is the main reason that latex is not a very popular crafting material in any broad sense. It's mostly used for temporary things, like molds for casting a lasting copy of a thing, or for makeup effects that will be washed off at the end of the night, of special effects that is ment to last for a season or two, or for as long as it takes to shoot a movie. When latex dries out it shinks and becomes hard and brittle. When it breakes down because of chemical interference (the main problem is grease, but ther are other things that can cause this as well, I don't know enough to give any detailed chemistry lessons, but anything mixed in or stored in contact with the latex can potentially cause this.) it becomes sticky and eventually dissolves into goo. Just to give an example of how this is handeled: Latex masks are often used along with grease paint, so for storage it's adviced to thuroughly clean the mask with soap and water, dry it carefully, then cover the surface in talcum powder and store the mask in an air tight container in a dark place. And, of course, common beginner mistakes include thing like using a hand soap with moisturizer or talcum with lanolin in it. Even when everything is done right, the mask is not expected to last forever and the mold is usually kept to remake the mask as neccesary. Heat, light and high humidity speeds the ageing up further. The ageing starts allready in the bottle, so only buy from reputable places who actually know how to store the stuff and when to get rid of an old product. The age of the latex will change how it behaves, so don't be too surprised to read conflicting revievs on the same product or have the same brand behave differently from purchase to purchase. This is pretty normal and you learn to work around it. Latex is amazing, when new, but it does age unperdictably and often quite badly. If you are lucky you may get a good ten years out of your wig, but eventuall it will break down one way or another. Ever seen those pictures where someone have used a baloon as a temporary friction cap under wigs and forgetting about them? Guess what regular party baloons are made of?
I know nothing about latex so I can't help you with that but I do know a bit about silicone! Theres the art grade silicone that is indeed 2-part, some are brushable, some perfectly see-through, you can tint it etc. But of course you'll also need to use it up quickly after mixing the parts together so it's only great if you want to make a ton of wig caps in advance. You can find tons of different options made by Smooth-On. There is also, indeed, silicone and acrylic caulk that can be used with a little bit more effort and you don't have to worry about using up a lot in one go. Here's a good wig-cap tutorial using it. Check the product before you use it, though - some of them can irritate the skin and smell quite strong so be careful. The only worry with those materials is that when they rip there is no fixing it so it's good to layer with some kind of thin fabric still... Although then you could already make a very thin glue cap all the same (although silicone would be flexible so that's a plus)
Thank you so much for all the information! I think all my questions have been answered! Honestly I'm now having doubts and wondering if I should just stick to my fabric glue. Of course, I can't speak to the durability of it long term since I've only been using it for a handful of years, but so far I haven't noticed any problems. It dries fast enough with a fan and barely has any smell. And if I need to use fabric with the silicone anyway, maybe I should keep doing what I'm doing? The only problem is that means I'll still have to deal with the fitting issue. The tutorial I originally saw showed that you can put the liquid latex directly on the head instead of having the layers of plastic wrap that make the fit looser, so I was hoping that would eliminate my problem with my caps always ending up too loose. So I guess what I should be asking now is...does anyone have any tricks or tips for getting wig caps to fit snugly?
Saran wrap for covering the head and thin stretchy fabric for the cap are the best I've managed to come up with. I've heard of people also using dryer sheets instead of fabric!
@Lillith Wowww I never would have thought that latex would behave that way, but now that I think if it, I've only seen it used in temporary products like disposable gloves. I made my first wigs with Aleene's Fabric Fusion back in 2017, and as far as I've seen, there's been no breakdown or damage.
@industrious.jenn Yes, it's unpredictable. I have some old doll shoes I made with a cast latex sole that are probably going on fifteen years now and while they have shrunk a bit, they are not completey dead. On the other end of the extreeme I've had things starting to show signs of ageing almost right away. True, those have probably been caused by something external, but when that can be as simple things as light, heat and humidity it's very hard to track exactly what went wrong. My friends and I often joke about developeing superstisions around how and when to do latex jobs, like what did we have for dinner and what phase is the moon in? Because how else do you explain why seemingly similar projects behave to differently?
@Lillith It sounds like latex is pretty unpredictable/unreliable! I can see why there would be too many variables to be able to pinpoint why sometimes it lasts and sometimes it doesn't. Although, I'm guessing quality of the latex product might sometimes be a factor? From reviews I've read some of it's just not that great. But as for things like light and humidity, it would be so difficult to regulate that kind of exposure, which makes me think I might end up avoiding latex. (I love the superstition joke though, you and your friends might just be onto something! )
Yes, I'm sure there are better and worse products out there. Some will already have things added to them to make them behave a certain way and the exact proportions of ingredients probably vary a bit. I haven't purchased latex in years, so I'm not much help there. Never work wtih latex when the moon is full. Unless you had pancakes last thursday, then you'll probably be fine.
@Lillith 's occult descriptions of latex have made me very curious about the material I'd also add that sometimes it's worth taking the plunge to try new materials out regardless of the doubts - maybe latex is the thing you need! And if it's not, you'll know a little bit more about what you want after testing it out.
Okay so I wondered the same thing... I am having doubts, but what if I just gave it a try and tested it out? If it doesn't work, I'm only out a small chunk of change. But if it does work, I might solve some of my wig-making issues. Maybe I just needed a little encouragement to take the risk. However, if I do try it, I will be sure to avoid doing it on a full moon day, or else make sure I have pancakes on hand.
I mean, short term it does work, very well. It's just long term that it can cause trouble. As long as it's for your own doll and you keep an eye at it, it's fairly risk free. The only thing I would recommend against is putting it on a doll and forgetting about it for years, or selling/gifting it to someone who is not informed of the drawbacks. Oh, and I would not put liquid latex straight on the bare doll. Remember what I said about the oxidization? latex is mildly acidic and especially when liquid that can speed up the oxidization of the doll surface as well, causing premature yellowing. This is not a certain thing, but an increased risk and the effect may not show up for some time, so it won't show up when doing short term tests. Talcum on the inside of the finished wig is also a good idea to keep the wig from sticking, especcially during storage (did you know that fresh latex, even after curing, can still fuse with itself?) And this may be obvious, but... Use nitril or vinyl gloves, not latex, because the liquid latex can weaken the latex in the glove. Guess how I know that?
I have been interested in someday doing wig commissions, if I can perfect my process, so if I ever used latex for those, I would certainly include a long disclaimer about these drawbacks. Once again saving me with all this info! Definitely do not want premature yellowing. I'm guessing the person who made the tutorial I watched isn't aware of this, because they said it was totally safe on the doll's head. I think my answer is clear. For now, I probably just need to experiment with my current setup and see if I can solve my fitting issue without switching materials. Hopefully I can think up some creative fix...
Looking at the problem of the fit of the wigs I wonder if you could make or find something a little smaller than your dolls head to make your wig on. In theory the finished wig would be a little smaller and should fit better.
@Valentia I was wondering something like this too! I wonder if I could make something out of foam or something like that?
Oh yes, like the ones they sell in craft stores? That might work really well! Also, I forgot to mention this, but I had one other idea for my wig problem. I'm seriously considering taking one of my wig caps and coating the inside in several thick layers of the same glue I use to make the cap. This would make it thicker and therefore tighter (in theory), and the tackiness of the glue might help it stay on the head better. Thoughts?
I've sometimes added a few stripes of hot glue inside the wig to make it tighter, but it's still not as great as using a good ol' silicone cap underneath
In my case, my girl's wig is always flying off even with the silicone cap underneath. Not at all sure how I managed to make it that loose...
I'd try a little bit of hot glue in that case! I find that it doesn't have a great grip on resin but it might be good doubled up with the silicone cap
Popping in as a wig maker ~ I've used fabric glue, white glue, wood glue, and masking latex. I LOVE latex. Obviously there's always fabric involved, and I cover the doll with plastic wrap while making the wig. But My older wigs (only 2019) are still just fine...if you ignore the amateur mistakes in them. I think using the tulle/fabric base is what keeps it strong though. I don't believe it would stay sturdy or reliable without the fabric. Wood glue gets brittle and shrinks. That was a waste of my time, LOL. Fabric glue, mod podge, and white glue are fine. They just take a decent amount of time to dry and don't appreciate moisture.
I would like to add that the fabric glue I use (Aleene's Fabric Fusion) is waterproof and actually doesn't take too long to dry if you put a fan on it. I've used it for years and so far it's worked really well!