How do you feel about this - personal stuff in the backgrounds of photos?

As long as they aren't being worn and the doll isn't... sniffing them, or something like that, I don't care. I guess it's something I wouldn't even really notice as weird unless someone pointed it out.

 

I don't think it's a bad idea for children to look at random poster's underwear because of any "shame" about the genitals or breasts or whatever (there shouldn't be any shame!), it's more the fact that things like boy dolls cavorting amongst red satin thongs does have an inherently sexual undertone to it, as well as making the owner look to many people like a slutty attention whore seeking attention.

As many people have said, context is everything - the example of a doll just trying on (clean) pants and being mystified by the fact they don't fit is funny, but the doll going thru it's owner's underwear drawer then being caught with the panties, while not omfg morally wrong destruction of civilization, is pretty tasteless and creates a bad impression of the owner, if she (or he!) thinks teh intarnets wants to see their ass floss, in a story with sexual undertones, with a toy.

It's like...masturbation is healthy and natural. How would people react if someone photographed their doll with their dildo or other sex toy? It's the sexual implications of some of these pictures that I think bothers people (I just find it pretty sad and needy, and wouldn't want my kids looking at it (simply because it sets a bad example. I wouldnt want any possible daughter of mine growing up to think that showing people online photos of her bras and panties was cute or arty)).

 

Hahahha! For me it's funny! ^O^

 

I'm obviously not reading the right Gallery posts X_x

(Don't have any particular interest in seeing other people's underwear, but I'm amused that I've completely missed the "trend")

I think it could be tasteless or funny, depending on the context. I don't think a hard-and-fast rule is a good idea, but I really don't care to see stuff in bad taste, either . . . taking posts on an individual basis is fine with me.

I do, however, think it's HYSTERICAL that one of my cats is obsessed with my bras, and can often be found sitting in them if I've left them on the floor

-- Andi ^_^

 

All gallery posts are for the most part people openly seeking attention, so people seeking attention with their underwear as opposed to people seeking attention with their child or cat or new doll is no different to me. As for the thong = slutty part, I don't stereotype people by what they wear, be it clothing I see or don't see.

And the sex toys, some of them I would consider beautifully crafted works of art that deserve displaying in their own right. Honestly, a photoshoot with someone's dildo wouldn't bother me and as long as the doll was not openly using it as a sexual device itself, it wouldn't be any different than any other prop and not in violation of the rules of the forum. It may be in bad taste, but taste is subjective and if a person is comfortable with sharing that, *shrugs*

I don't see what the big deal is.

 

It doesn't bother me, they're just garments. Now if it was the doll's owner *in* the underwear--that would be a bit inappropriate ; ) Personally, if I come across something I don't want to see, I just hit the back button and move on.

 

Just to clarify, I didn't say thongs=slutty. Thongs are a practical item for preventing VPL, as I'm sure many of us know. However, to many people, because they're more revealing than granny pants, they do have sexual connotations, especially when made of stereotypically "sexy" fabrics like red lace or whatever.

I know the sex toys you mean - the ones that cost a three figure sum and come with display stands? Yeah, they do look very sculptural...but from a review I read in some womens magazine, they apparently don't do the job they're intended for very well .

To be honest I think it's difficult if not impossible to take photos which involve a dildo without sexual connotations. Like it or not, unless it's for medical reasons, it's inarguably an item connected with sex. Nowt wrong with that, but I imagine most people would consider (human sized) dildos irrelevant to the doll collecting hobby, and something that most people really have no desire to see.

 

Heavens ... there are more suggestively sexual photostories in the galleries that don't even use a single prop ... tasteful, morning after stuff, perhaps ... an extending hand closeup ... but sexual nonetheless.

I'm amused to think we have to protect the children from underpants. Most of the kids I know adore underpants ... especially ones with cartoon characters on them ... they love showing them off. Kids are actually fine with underwear. It's only when they grow up that adults start informing them underwear is actually not as innocent as they once thought.

Lisa

 

Maybe the probloem here is that there are small looking people (the dolls) and some even childlike dolls playing in adult underware. They look like children playing around in adult underware. And like it or not, there are quite a few people in our society who find that just creepy. Not really childlike dolls innocently playing in their own underware, but adults putting them into adult underware and posing them. See the difference? I may have dressed up in moms clothes, but not her thongs and I would be really freakin' scarred it mom forced me to wear her thongs!

 

Personally, I don't find it all that amusing, in fact, I think it's pretty gross - I don't care if the underwear is clean or not! :P I just think it's kind of trashy. No offense to anyone who does find it funny, that's just the way that I feel.

And as for the sex toy thing - if you have 'em, fine, but I so don't wanna know about it! That's TMI to the max :P

 

i'm not particularly partial to participation in peculiar panty posts.... but do what you will, long as they're clean! :P

 

I agree very much so as well. A lot of kids go through this site and well, a while back someone posted pictures of dolls using Drug Paraphernalia yet the mods allowed it and told me some weird excuse of how it's not hurting anyone. =/ I forgot what they told me but yeah.....the underware stuff does gross me out but I agree with what nofunangie has to say.

Most of us are woman, why are we gross of our "natural selves?"

 

For me it's not so much about being grossed-out (if that's the word) about my natural self....

For me it's more like a backlach against this day and age where it seems that everything has to have some sexual implicatons.
From music to fashion to holidays and almost everything!
Pop singers wearing next to nothing, singing songs and making videos that are sexually implicated or sometmes sexually explicit.

12-year-old kids wearing mini skirts that bearly covers theri bums and other sort of clothings that appears to me to be designed by paedophiles

Even my boyfriend trys to get me to walk down the street with half of my brest exposed cause in his (and indeed most people's mind) beauty = sexy = expose everything

I mean.... Can't BJDs stay out of this sort of stuff and just be a classy and beautiful hobby? (sorry about being a bit excited)

 

Personally I wouldnt take offence to it or anything. It usually takes alot to bother me ^ ^; clean panties and such could make for a funny scene ^ ^

 

if it is in a kinda 'wohohoho stolen pantieees' humoristic thread anime-like, I think it can be even funny to look at. It does nto bother me at all, if the undies are clean, you know :_ /

 

Kyew eff ee. D:

 

It is very tacky, in my opinion. We don't need to see your underwear, and I think it's very immature humor. I wouldn't be all "OMG EWWWWWWW" if I saw these pictures, but I would choose not to comment.

 

It's a wee bit gauche, but that doesn't have to be a bad thing. Sometimes things that are crude can be witty and fun. Sometimes, though, they're just used for the shock value; then I find it less interesting.

 

Hmm, obviously anyone who thinks kids are going to be bothered by underpants aren't too in touch with the real world.

 

I think there's at least two completely different ways people are looking at this...that's a good thing, everyone has their own opinion

it seems to me, some people think the fact that it's undies, regardless of whose, it's undies that's the issue here. others (inc me) think that it's TMI about or attention seeking by the owner that's the issue...but that's just how I interpret the replies

 

you know, i keep seeing responses from people... "i don't want to know someone like that..."

o.O i refuse to believe that you can know a person intimately or that it is TMI by seeing their underwear.... i mean, unless you've got like 93847598374534 leather thongs, that certainly does make a statement, but so what!

i guess if there's any worry about the appropriateness of underwear and what children see, frilly lacy maribou-feather-esconced and see-through thongs might be something to consider putting a warning on. but average briefs? gimme a break! stop being such a prude and hit the back button. yarr.

 

It's underwear...it's not ON a person. There are a million posts of dolls in doll underwear. Unless it's quite obviously sketchy (on a person, skid marks, etc) then what's the big deal?
There are vaguely sexual shots in the galleries and some less vague than others. There're dolls with alcohol and dolls with drugs and dolls slitting thier wrists, etc etc.
Underwear seems pretty tame to me. It also seems pretty rude to assume just because someone has a piece of underwear in their photoshoot for whatever reason that they're 'slutty attention seeking' people. WOW close-minded much?
I really fail to see the point of making an issue out of an article of clothing in most contexts. It's a gallery, on a forum, on the internet. People have ultimate power to say to themselves 'whoops, that's not my thing' and hit 'Back' because this IS a public forum and as far as I know underwear isn't against the rules.

And why is it assumed that what a person does with thier doll always reflects back on that person? I have a character that would LOVE to roll around in a pile of lacey thongs. Myself? Not so much. Even with the drugs or the self-mutilation going on occasionally with DOLLS in the gallery...they're dolls. If it's written well, what's the problem with someone telling a story? If someone else doesn't like it, and there are warnings for highly controversial things, then they have the freedom to not look at it.

Freedom to post it in accordance with the rules, freedom to ignore it if you so choose.

 

Personally, I find it a bit too much to see underwear being photographed with the person's dolls, but as long as I see no particular stains or any signs of unclean usage, then it's okay.

 

I feel bad that I missed out on this popular trend. YAY for dolls and underware. o.0

On the pluss side I did come up with a vaguley amusing idea out of all of this.

No need to get your panties in a bind over some underware ladies. ^_^

P.s. I don't think I'd find underware in the gallires offensive strange yes, silly sure. I really could care less tho.

 

i've never seen this either. hmm, sounds like something i probably wouldnt want to see any pictures of either. haha!

 

*edit*
My big in-depth answer is basically what everyone else has been saying.
So it's underwear in the same picture as a doll. BFD. Not very 'attention-seeking,' as far as I can see, as most of the posts with underwear that I've seen have been tasteful and humorous, and NOT the owner implying, "LOOK AT ME I ARE TEH SEXAY LADAY 8D"
And heck, it has a doll in it, so as long as it doesn't have tons of sexual nudity or vulgar language, it meets the criteria.
If you don't like it, you can either hit the back button or deal. We all - or some of us, at least - wear undies, so just learn to deal with the fact that most people aren't comfortable having nothing between them and their clothing.

 

corsets and camisoles can be considered underwear, will you be offended by that? or pantaloons?
sheesh. it's silly. Ren used to sleep in the underwear drawer that I kept under my bed. it was clear, anyone could see it? did I care? not really. as long as they were clean, who gives a care? everyone wears them, nothing speical.

and now I must do a photo of my girl doll with pairs of lacy underwear, looking up at me and demanding I make her simular items.

 

^ Thank you lilmissmaya! Your comment is exactly how I feel as well!


Everyone has a right to their own opinion, but you dont have a right to judge people you have never even met.. especially based on something as stupid and unimportant as under garments!
The attention whore/seeking comments are very offensive and not called for...
Seriously, they are just panties! I am sure everyone has seen a pair before, and unless they are novelty (not really functional,made to be only for sexual stuffs like being edible or something! lol) I dont see a problem.
But really, this seems like a personal issue, more better suited to a live journal type website.
But hey, this is just my opinion on the matter, and I respect everyone elses!
*jen

 

Do I like seeing a stranger's underwear? No. Would I put a photo of my undies online? No. But is it a big deal? I don't think so, as long as they aren't on a person. And I definetly don't think this virtual rash of undie pictures ( I've never seen human undies in a doll pic) should inspire yet another rule banning certain things in the photo posts, which I can see happening. That's all I'm worried about, an all-out undie ban. That would just be silly.

 

I think I fall into the "don't care" catigory, unless it's funny, then I'd smile.

This thread did make me randomly think that I could probably use an old bra as a swing...but that's just a sleep-deprived mind spitting out random images. (I wouldn't scare Tris like that anyway...)

 

yep, i'm gonna have to second this

 

Wahay, revived pants XD!
I think in some situations, it can be humorous; just as a lot of dolls here seem to have a Japanese theme, and in the context of Japanese comedy, the inclusion of underwear is usually supposed to be funny as opposed to sexy.
But yeah, I mean, knickers are meant to be worn, not flashed to the world. XD However, provided it's clean and tasteful, I have no problem with such themes (^-^);

 

Wow. I've thought it before, but this post seals it:

You ROCK, Kim. In my eyes there is NO difference between using underwear as a prop or using a child, dog, or really spendy accessory. It's all "look at me!" There's no value judgement in that statement; people want to be looked at, they want their dolls and photos commented on. It's understandable.

(And ... I used to work in an adult boutique. We carried one thing that looked like a giant mushroom and I wanted to make a Gnome Village with it with 8" dolls and some moss. They sent the thing back to the factory before I could buy it on my discount.)

There is one thing that is bugging me about this thread more than anything: the whole "slutty" and "loose" things - wow, people. Outdated, sex-negative, blatantly sexist viewpoints much? Are we upset about underwear because underwear is inherently evil, or because someone might be having more fun than us? Or are we really all the police of morality and decency, because our own lives and characters are so perfect?

Just asking.

 

*wants to marry lilmissmaya and kim*

and HOW did I miss the underwear stories.. come on people.. link, I wanna see!

Seek peace

Carol

 

Reading all of this has given me ideas that may not be acted upon for many months, but I assure you it will be funny or at least worth a " dork" comment ^_^

 

It's just underwear; we all wear it. I find it equal to nudity. Since when is something we all have considered "offensive"?

As long as they're clean, I don't see a big deal.

 

Well, you see underwear in shops, and in ads and magazines cuh as Cosmopolitan as well. I think they are something that we all wear, and as long as they're clear, so what? It would be different for me if someone's doll posed with actual sex toys, though ^^; Not saying that those could not be beautiful pictures!

 

Personally, I wouldn't find it offensive, or gross (so long as these are clean panties, mind). Oooh, no, underwear! Everybody wears them. So what's so awful? O.o Granted, I don't particularly -want- to look at somebody's doll messing around with panties, but that's what the back button is for.

 

Hhahah! The main vibe I get from this thread is ... "Oh noes! WE must protect the wee ones ... from something they own too ... because it offends me as an adult."

WTH, just WTH?

 

i honestly think i might feel uncomfortable if it was "sexy" underwear or a thong. those things seem a little too personal, and i don't want to be brought into that part of a person's life. but if it was just normal underwear, and with a funny story, no problems then.

aside from underwear....other personal stuff. i think it looks tacky, but can sometimes be funny.

 

You know, I'm extremely nitpicky about this sort of thing. It all depends, so I'm not going into detail about it.

But about the "look away" deal, if you're exposed to an image that's disturbing to you, even if it's just for a few seconds, it still sticks with you. You may not have gotten a detailed gist of the thing, but even the general idea of it may be traumatizing for you. You could look away, but it's still just a little too late. :\

 

Underwear is too private. If the doll uses something different and not as personal, it´s okay.
I have no problem with things in the background, not everybody has the time to set up a whole scenery

 

(Hmm. I wasn't going to comment, but I found this thread to be pretty amusing ) Personally, I have yet to see any posts like that, but I wouldn't make assumptions about the person if I did happen to see the underwear. Even if I did, I wouldn't comment or continue looking. I'd just press the Back button. Hey, it might be an accident and the owner didn't know they were in the photo. As long as they're clean and the doll isn't sniffing them (um...ew), I don't have anything against it, even though I might find it a little odd, not so much gross. Again, if you happened onto it and didn't like it, just leave. Underwear is underwear and whether it's sexy or plain, most of them serve the same purpose. Just because it covers private areas, doesn't mean that underwear=sex.

I totally agree. This is my reponse to the whole idea of children being affected in some way by seeing underwear.

Has anyone ever thought about Barbie or Bratz or similar dolls? It falls into that catagory of the "ideal image" and "new trends". They are dolls of adult women or teenage girls, yet many of the girls who play with these dolls are barely preteens. It's kind of like role-playing, much like a little girl would do with a toy oven/stove kitchen set. It's like expecting kids to play with only baby dolls until they are 13 or something so they won't find out about puberty. You can't hide that so, there's probably no use in acting like everybody doesn't wear underwear (and I know that there are some people who don't XD) Hehe. Sorry for being OT. ^^;

Anyway, I remember having a lot of different Barbie dolls when I was younger. One was an older model and I remember the newer model having...this...it's hard to explain. She had like tattooed panties on her pelvis and they were the same color as her skin. I think it was the letter B or something, but I remember it was only on her pelvis. And there was one Barbie who just had a white pelvis, representing underwear. So obviously, someone got the idea that Barbie needed some panties. Why, I don't know. I guess a parent made a big deal about it and the company decided to do that. As far as I know, Barbies don't come with undergarments under their clothes, so it's nothing to stress over. Don't make a big deal, and everything will be fine. Kids will only pick something up if you turn their attention to it in a particular light.

 

You know, in this backwards society of censorship, we all have to do what we think is best for our own and our children's interest. It's really important to explain why something is offensive, rather than shout "BLASPHEMY!" at it and try to cover it up.

Some things are very personal and should be kept that way. While it's true you see models on magazines advertising underwear and such, it's all they're advertising; just underwear. I mean, we all have to buy them, right? It's not like it's a personals ad or something.

Like I said, I'm uber nitpicky about this whole thing.

But on second thought, maybe some people don't even realize their underwear is hanging out (unless it's actually part of the picture). Sometimes when my friends pop over suddenly and want to come in before I've had time to straighten up, my bra will be hanging on the doorknob and I won't even notice until after they've gone! XD;;

 

True, but I have to say that the whole gangsta fashion of wearing your pants half way down your butt with your boxers showing is just....it's not needed and it's annoying. My granmother told me that in a certain county, they are actually making a law that makes it illegal to wear your pants like that. I don't like it but I'm wondering if they're taking it too far. Well, even if it is freedom of expression, I guess it's still indecent, which is probably why they are making a law.

 

I'm serious when I say that I haven't seen stray human underwear in the pictures posted on DoA, so far. Could you point me out to them, since I obviously missed 'em by a mile?

 

I dont really want to see any dirty underwear, but if its clean well Its just clothes.

Kids see underwear even lacy thongs hanging on racks at the stores, we were at walmart buying cleaners, and in the middle of the store is the lingerie, they had all sorts of loud underwear displayed. There were even someones young kids playing hide and seek under the racks.

Personally I would not recommend young kids be browsing this site, not because of underwear, but rather the posts involving violence or dolls with scars that look to be from self mutilation, like claw marks.

If you don't wish to look, theres always the back button.

 

Oh LOLs!
I haven't seen any of this thank goodness! I don't even know whether I'd find it funny or gross... I suppose it would depend on... a bunch of different variables!

I DO like seeing peoples' homes/rooms/yards/landscapes though in their photos...

I don't like seeing people themselves though. Even those of us who are young and beautiful (haha!) can hardly compete with resin perfection! ^_^


Raven

 

XDD I was just typing something, but i wanted to quote this so imma start over ;D

All of you who are majorly flipping out over the 'kids' seeing lacy underwear / thongs and such... The youngest (allowed on the forum, anyway) is 13. And, being not even half way 14 yet, I just want to say that EVERYONE I know my age... that's really not a big deal. At all. Hell, I even know people who OWN them. In reality, (in my town, anyway XD;; kids know a lot. Like, probably more than we should. So if youre trying to protect the youth from panties, dont even bother because we've seen a lot I understand where you're coming from when someone pointed out DILDOS, but... as long as theyre not like, in use by the owner in the background of the picture, whatever. Not like we haven't seen that anatomy in health class, or even on the forum.

And the tampon thing? Psshplz. All the girls here -probably- have used them, and the guys? Most of them on the forum are older, so they should understand how all that works. So if theyre like OMG EWWWWWWWWW they need to kind of get over it


But anyway, enough of that
If I saw someone's doll in a pantypool I'd just be like LOL WTF and move on. No big deal ;D I have underwear too, so I honestly dont see what the big deal is

I see where youre coming from there too... Ive seen gore on the internet (people absolutely torn apart in accedents, intestines falling out... -shudder-) only for a few seconds, but it sticks with me. Doll scarring though intrests me... cause Its just resin. With some PRETTY AWESOME mods done by a talented person ;D
But... traumatized by UNDERWEAR? Something we all (hopefully anyway) own and wear on a daily basis? Does that happen? o__O;;

 

I agree with what someone has previously said. Its all about the context. If it is done in a good taste or a bad taste.. it is subjective really so it all depends on how you perceive it.. is it a work of art or is it lewd? If the photography is excellent and the user has done a lot of work with the lighting, positioning, props, etc etc and throw in a panty that fits with the setting then i wouldn't mind it.

 

I have a problem of having nice backgrounds (alas, my room is too cluttered to be background-free) But underwear is just. well... a step in the wrong direction.

 

Background underwear - another thing I haven't seen! (I also never got a single unsolicited explicit email -- )

But really, unless the items in question were bigger than the dolls in the foreground, I'd probably miss noticing them anyway. Given the amount of detail my monitor insists on fitting in, I think I see more underwear (and, unfortunately, more clearly) hanging on the hips of teen boys, above the pants with the crotches around their knees. (And they don't always look *clean* -- )

Since I haven't seen any of this pictures, I'd tend to give the person the benefit of the doubt. Maybe they didn't notice quite how much their camera was keeping in focus. Unless the thread was titled something like "Raoul and the skivey skivvies", maybe they were so intently focusing on the dolls (and attendant posing problems and surprises) that they didn't notice what was in the background.

Like many people have said - hit the back button, if you don't like it, and go look at something else. I've backed out of some photoshoots for other reasons, but didn't begrudge the creators for doing them.

Anyway, after an 8-year-old gets to see 3 or 4 Victoria's Secret "angel" TV ads, protecting them from the dangers of underwear is all over, my friends. (And as someone pointed out above, there are racks and racks of undies in the stores, and toddlers do zero in on the bra racks as great places to play!)

Frankly, though, the type of stuff I'd LIKE to see in the backgrounds of photos are winning lottery numbers. That's not on-topic, but just so darn true --

 

I've replied to this thread before. As the thread was started in August '06, the photostories that inspired it was just as far back, which would explain why not all of you have seen it. As I recall, there were two or three photostories involving underwear, where the dolls were mucking around in the undies. If memory serves (though often it serves badly) some were funny, wherein the doll was a perv and was embarrassing the owner by digging up a bra.

Just remember, context is important. Even the picture with a tampon was pretty funny. However, I have to admit that not all the photostories with the undies were funny.

I think kids these days could do well with protection from things other than underwear and tampons. -_- If you're grossed out by seeing other people's underwear, then that's fine. But it sounds mightily silly to say that kids shouldn't see underwear what with the number of thongs displayed at departmental stores.

Out of curiosity, why is this thread under photography tips? I was under the impression that the OP started it as a discussion, questioning the properness of having underwear in photostories or in photos...

 

I don't remember if I replied to this thread before or not, but on the subject of owners possessions in the background NOT relating to underoos... it depends on the photoshoot whether it's distracting, and what the person was going for.

My dolls live in a Rozen Maiden like world, where they're actually animated dolls, so they're constantly in my personal effects, using my telelvision remote even though it's too big for them, writing with my pencils, borrowing my scissors and cooking utensils, so it works out for them.

However, if you're doing the story of a doll in a doll's world, and it's perfectly set up entirely in scale... having a random shoe or person's foot in the background would ruin the illusion.

Personally, I only want to see owner's effects in the photo if it's done well/for a reason, not just because they didn't pick up after themselves, regardless of if it's extremely personal items or not.

 

All pictures aren't meant to be artistic, really. Some people want their pictures to be cute or funny, and if somebody's underwear happens to be laying around in the background, then it really probably shouldn't be a problem. It's not like the owner purposely put their unmentionables back there for someone to come across! They probably don't even notice. And lots of people don't have the time or materials to set up a scenery anyway.

However, if the underwear is supposed be part of the picture, it needs to be tasteful and appropriate. I don't think dolls playing in somebody's thongs is really appropriate, because whether anyone likes it or not, thongs have a sexual connotation, and sex should be kept private (even though it hardly ever is...>_>) just for the fact that it's really nobody's business what your private life is like, and most likely nobody really wants to know.

 

No, no! I wasn't talking about that! XD;; I meant in general, like some explicit sexual photo or, like you said, accident photos! I don't think people should be traumatized by panties, but really, a lot of people just don't wanna see it, and if you look away, you've still already seen it!

That's what I meant! XD;; 33

 

I totally agree with you. I cannot stand to see guys wear their pants like that. I'm like, "Geez, man, how can you walk with your crotch part around your knees?? "

And it's certainly inappropriate for women to dress that way...