Hello everyone, I was wondering if someone could help me with a specific lighting set-up. I'd like to try to reproduce the lighting from this photo VOLKS USA, Inc. I don't have any lights yet besides a ring light and some household goose-neck lamps and I'm looking to buy something like hardware store clamp lights or similar low budget lighting to start out so I'm hoping some light and bulb suggestions from this will also be useful for other portrait lighting set ups. I'm reading the tutorials for some portrait lighting. Advice much appreciated!
Do you have a camera that can do longer exposures? If you can keep the shutter open for longer, you can get away with using less light. This means you should be able to get closer to what you are after using standard lights. It looks to me like there is a soft light source coming from just one side. This should be a pretty simple set up. The trick with be diffusing the light so the source of light is soft. Here are a couple ideas on how to get a soft light source. -I would probably try bouncing the light in. You could use a white foam core panel, aim your lights at that and bounce it onto the character. This would give a nice soft source, but it would require pretty strong light. -You could also hang a veil of cloth in front of the light to soften the source. Bridle veil is commonly used. -You could put a gel on the light to soften the source. You would probably need to go to a camera store or stage supply place for proper gels though. This is not my area of expertise, but I see it all of the time. Just a couple of the methods I have seen. I hope this helps.
Thank you @CartoonCrazy, I just have a point and shoot and then a manual app for my iPhone camera. I'm just an amateur hobbyist but this scene really caught my eye for doll photos! It looks like there are 2-3 lights being used, one shining straight from the left side, then one at an angle from the slight left catching the edge of the picture frame and a softer one from above on the right shining down on the head? I was thinking of getting 3 of these and some fabric as you suggested or trying some tracing paper to diffuse the light.
One trick I see the pros do a lot is to set up the lights and then switch them off and on, or cover and uncover them with a card, to see exactly what each light is doing. With this trick, you can set things up how you think they should be, and then quickly fine tune your sources by seeing exactly what each light does.
Thank you, some trial and error and doing just that is what I'm planning, I'm just going to order 3 lights. My camera app has shutter speeds of 1/8-1/8000 and I have a tripod.
For that shot you need only one light and a reasonably dark room. The subject is front lit but photographed from the side. You need the room to be dark because it is quite contrasty light. As long as the light illuminating the subject is brighter than the ambient light there is nothing sophisticated about the set up.
Thank you @TomB, I will try it this way. What about the light glancing off of the photo frame and the patterned cloth? I'm not sure how much of the final shot is composited and how much was a photo set up but I'd like to reproduce a similar set too if I can, to photograph multiple dolls this way.
It's composited. There are two separate and distinct photos. The portrait, that we discussed, and a second image of the wall, frame and curtain. Then the portrait is edited into the frame. The editing is as important as the photography. Vintage Portrait by Tom Beach, on Flickr
Aha, that's what I was afraid of, but I fell in love with the idea of photographing dolls with this set so I thought I'd ask here to see what knowledgeable people had to say about it. I'm not sure the whole scene itself is reproducible with lighting but I'd sure love to try.
When you photograph the wall and frame fill the frame with a plain white mat board. That will make it easy to select and drop your portraits into.
I would agree with TomB that it is a composite. You would be able to set it up as a non-composite shot, but so much trouble. You would need a frame, some flat thing that is both strong enough to support the frame and that you could cut a frame-sized hole in. Foamcore probably wouldn't do it, but thin chipboard would. Cut hole in board, cover board in patterned paper, attach frame to board and then set up at the front of your shot. No less than two feet behind it, set up a large board and drape fabric over it. Put doll between the two. You will need to light doll and frame separately. As, TomB says, diffused light directed at the front of the doll's face, behind the board. Small light. Then you need a larger, diffused light to illuminate the frame. That one is coming from the same side as the one illuminating the doll's face, but at less of an angle, about 45 degrees from your camera. So, a lot of trouble. You can do fun things with old frames, though, so you can use that as a start. This is a rather dodgy shot I played about with (excuse nudity). It was a first go at this, and there is a lot more you can do with the idea. Experiment! Have fun!
Thank you @MadamMauMau, that helps break it down. I was hoping that if I can recreate it or something similar, myself and my local group can take photos of many of our dolls in the setting so it's worth the trouble. But I think your idea of fun with frames and experimentation is a better start before I attempt the scene. That photo just struck me though, you know the kind of impression that doesn't easily leave the mind but demands some sort of attempt...gah, I explain it so badly. But yes - dolls, nice light and elegant gilded frames. Official 2017 obsession. iPhone shoots in RAW now and I like the app 'Manual'. PS As usual, you take a sculpt that I'd seen 100 times and make it look singular, I'm convinced you have doll-seeing-eye-vision the rest of us don't. A very good idea, adding that to the shopping list. I think I'll take along an SD to judge the frame size and get one of the ready-makes at Hobby Lobby, they are often 50% off.
I think you'll find a "real" frame too large, look at the 4x6 desk frames. 4x6 is 16x24 in 1/4 size or12x16 in 1/3 size so OK for either. Expanding on MadamMauMau's very good advice, I'd start with a cardboard box. I'd paint the interior black. Place the doll within the box and illuminate it with a small LED lamp which I'd also place within the box. Now you've isolated the doll and it's lite from the outside environment. Cover the outside of the box with art paper printed with a delicate pattern. Blick and other art supply or paper shops carry it. I use it frequently as wallpaper in doll settings. Cut the hole, hang the frame over it and you're good to go. Best of luck! While I'm not 100% sure this would be bright enough, Smart doll makes a doll size studio light that just might be exactly what you're looking for to illuminate your doll without spilling light onto the external set. Smart Studio Light Another alternative would be a small LED flashlight on some sort of support.
It looks as though that lamp is more a prop than to actually take photos. No info on lumens and it looks tiny. I used to use a desklamp, with the head bagged with white cotton lawn, to diffuse it. Did fine. Not as focused as something like a softbox (which is what I use now, in various sizes), but could do that perfectly well. You would need a long exposure, due to the weak light. So a tripod would be needed. But I think a tripod is a decent investment anyway. It doesn't have to be a Manfrotto. You can get a pretty stable Slik tripod for not much at all. And don't forget to set your white balance to suit. If you don't have custom white balance on your point and shoot, auto white balance generally does a passable job, providing there aren't any huge areas of one colour to throw it off. ETA: I just looked on the Hobbylight page. That bulb is 80 lumens (its a measure of how bright it is). As a comparison, I aim for at least 1000 lumens with the bulbs I use in my softbox, and that still needs a tripod. So, yes, a nice-looking prop but not for photography.
It looks like a great prop and it makes my buy-button finger itch badly but I also questioned the actual usefulness and my next step would have been asking about suggested light strength. I'm wanting to do this project on the lowest reasonable budget with items available "at the store" both for resourcefulness and to find out what's possible with an iPhone/Android device and Walmart/hardware store type lights and bulbs, using cloth, vellum etc as diffusers and white cardboard, foil etc as reflectors. At my skill level, a dslr and a soft box set up aren't justified yet, so gooseneck and clamp lights are the thing! I take (and like) heavily filtered snapshots. My first camera was a Polaroid Zip and I never got over it. But to enjoy my dolls more, I really want to learn to capture their images more simply and beautifully. I do already have an inexpensive but seemingly steady tripod and we can prop up the tablets to be steady and on a countdown timer. The 'manual' app simulates some camera settings, we have 4 phones, 2 tablets and a point/shoot camera to test out so lots of manuals to read and specs to compare. Our dolls are blank and painted and we have a variety of skin tones. I wonder if this experiment might be interesting enough for a project journal.
You should do it. There are so many people battling with the same issues that seeing how someone with some commitment battles through it would be both interesting and informative. You can take perfectly good photos with a desk lamp, a tripod and a bit of white card. I still take many that way, when I can't be bothered to get the "proper" lights out. You just need to understand the potential and limitations of your camera and work around it. I would focus on one camera and really get to know that. The point and shoot would be the most likely candidate from your selection. Find out if you can switch white balance (one of my pet hates is the yellow photograph. It makes such a difference to get that right and means you don't have to waste money on bulbs that are supposed to be "daylight", yet don't match what your camera reckons is daylight colour). And "proper" lights aren't that expensive, if you opt for the cheapjack stuff and don't mind its limitations. My 30cm softbox cost about $12 and its light stand about $20. You can use high powered household bulbs, but need to be aware that they will melt and potentially set fire to things if left on in a softbox for more than a minute. There is also a lot you can do with a pizza box and some cooking foil. Going ghetto teaches you a lot about light. When you know what you want and how to achieve it, you can start looking to replace your cardboard kit with something a bit more substantial.
I got one of those little lights and it is surprisingly capable. See my review at /threads/dramatic-light-for-doll-photos.747079/