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Dramatic Light for Doll Photos

Jun 2, 2017

    1. Danny Choo has a light designed for use with the smart dolls.

      Smart Studio Light

      I've wondered if it was actually functional or simply a prop but either
      way it seemed worth while to get one and see. At $82 it isn't cheap
      but neither is it the most expensive prop my dolls have ever gotten
      and I figured that this was actually for me rather than the dolls anyway.

      Turns out it's quite functional. It's powered from a USB port so not as
      bright as a real photo light but as it's doll scale it's closer to the subject
      and that makes an immense difference. At a foot or so from the doll
      it gives sufficient light for a dramatic photo even in a light room.

      One of my problems has been getting dramatic light. My photo lights
      are large enough that even from several feet away they give a diffuse
      shadow. They also illuminate the whole scene. This light behaves as a
      point source and at a foot from the doll illuminates an area perhaps
      6" across and as it has functional barn doors you can shrink it further.

      It is a little warmer than my daylight balanced studio lights but I work
      in RAW so that's not an issue except when using it together with my
      cooler lights.

      Here's a sample image. You can see the light over towards the left edge
      of the image.

      [​IMG]Light by Tom Beach, on Flickr


      Light

      I'm going to love it. Most of my lights are too big to give a spot light
      sort of effect but as this is a single LED it acts like a point source
      even for the dolls.
       
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    2. Nice! I wonder if laptop USB lamps could work, too? :)
       
    3. Tom, I had a look at this light when it was brought up in another thread. It's only something like 82 lumens, so the equivalent of less than a 10W incandescent bulb. So, it's a prop, not for actual lighting. You did very well with it. What sort of exposure was that?

      The rule of thumb with studio lights is that your light should be about the same size as the subject you are illuminating and be about the same distance away from your subject as the diagonal size of your light. This gives you pretty controlled shadows with relatively soft edges. So, a 30cm softbox at about 40cm is perfect for a full length shot of an action figure or a head and shoulders shot of a large doll. If you are having to move your light that far away to get the hard edges you want (small light source = hard edges), you will also get that light spill you are seeing.

      If you want your source to be smaller than the face of your softbox, you can mask it off. Use black card with a hole or a slit cut in it and tape it over the front of your softbox. Or you can get cinefoil, if you want something heat resistant to put directly over your lamp holder and make something like a snoot. You will be throwing away light (because you are blocking it off), but swings and roundabouts.

      You can also stop the light flooding your space by flagging it. So, place (or, often in my case, hold whilst simultaneously grasping the shutter remote) a large sheet of black card close to the light and angle it so that it blocks light from hitting the background but not the figure (I assume it's the background you are concerned about).

      And you will still get mixed light effects if you use mixed temperature/colour bulbs, even if you do shoot in raw. You can only set the white balance for one of the colours, not both simultaneously. I have seen shots were the warm and cool tones have been deliberately used together, though, and it was effective. You just have to know that you are deliberately using two light temperatures in the same shot and work to use that.

      ETA: An example of when I started using masks. I was experimenting with noir lighting and wanted to get a tight slash of light down either side of the figure. So, it's a softbox either side, with a black cardboard mask with a slit of about 2-3 centimetres in the middle of each, then a big, silver reflector in the centre front, to light the middle a little.

      So, if you want a spot effect, you can cut a hole in a piece of black card and tape that over the front of the softbox. If you want to make it really focused, you can also then recess the hole by making a 2cm rim of black card and taping that round the edges of the hole (not sure I described that very well...).

      [​IMG]
       
      #3 MadamMauMau, Jun 5, 2017
      Last edited: Aug 2, 2017
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    4. My light meter isn't calibrated to measure absolute light output
      but with light to subject distance of 1 ft. I'm working at 1/125 sec @ f5.6, ISO 640.
      I'm quite happy with that though it might not work for your purposes.

      I have a 3 ft shoot through umbrella which meets your criteria of the light
      source being of similar or larger diameter than the field of view. I find that
      far too soft for a portrait light.
       
    5. An umbrella, because of its size and shape, produces a large hemisphere of diffused light. It throws it out all over the place. This is great if you have a wide area you want to light fairly evenly. However, no good for those nice, tight shadows you seem to be after. That needs something directional and, ideally, focusable. I do strongly recommend getting a cheap softbox. They are immensely versatile.

      And the size isn't the field of view, but the amount of the subject you want to light. So, a 3ft softbox (for example), would be large enough to light a three quarter portrait of a real person. Something between 30cm and 60cm is about right for dolls.

      That is a very high ISO but, at this size anyway, it doesn't seem problematic. I assume you are hand holding, given that shutter speed. Sticking the thing on a tripod and using a slower shutter speed and lower ISO can raise image quality. Having said that, it depends on the camera and my Canon 60D copes better with high ISOs than it does with long exposures, in terms of noise. Yours might be the same. But it can certainly happily cope with something fairly brief, like 1/60. Anyway, yours might have no problem with ISO 640, so just throwing that out there, in case you need it.

      But, given the situation, you got a good shot with that, so more power to you! I would be interested to see your experiments with it. Looks as though it could be a lot of fun.
       
    6. I've got a really nice Manfrotto tripod if I should need it
      but my camera is a Nikon D700; full frame sensor and 11 Mpx.
      It's fine to somewhere beyond ISO 1600. For web images it's
      tolerable to ISO 6400. 640 is in the very good range.
       
    7. OK. Different cameras tolerate different things. Mine is also acceptable at ISO640, but I see no reason to use it. I am often looked at askance by my photographer friends by going to ISO400 as my default setting. But I shoot still life in dim light. They shoot landscapes or use studio flash. It's a matter of what does the job for teh situation. It also just ways of working. I like to set up on my (also Manfrotto :lol:) tripod, go away, come back, see what it looks like and make adjustments. I find it very contemplative.

      Anyway, throwing out the info on different modifiers for what it's worth. Umbrellas are like light tents; they are a bit of a one trick pony. I did start out with one. moved through almost all light modifier options, and have settled on softboxes as the best option for what I do. As you are also now looking at tight shadows, they might suit you too. Worth a go!
       
    8. What sort of light do you use in your softboxes?

      They do seem to be the modifier of choice for portraiture
      and fashion any more. My primary lights are LED panels.
      They're about the size of an iPad so maybe 10" diagonal.
      It's always seemed that for the dolls this ought to be
      sufficient.

      To use a softbox I think I'd want to move to flash. I do have
      a couple of old electronic flash units that don't "talk" to the
      D700 so I could put them in softboxes. I'd need to get a
      trigger mechanism and the softboxes themselves. (and
      convince my wife that it would be a suitable expense)

      One of my friends in the local photo art club does great
      still life work. Quite contemplative as you say. I'm too much
      of a butterfly. My wife and I travel so a lot of my work is
      landscape and architecture. Much of my more eclectic work
      is in this gallery.

      Tom Beach by Photo-Focus Group
       
    9. Nice photos! It's great to branch out into other areas, though. Refreshing. I do the odd landscape and architecture and some studio work, but my love is still life. I find it very satisfying.

      I use a couple of different bulbs in my softboxes. If colour is important, I use two halogen household bulbs in a splitter. However, they can only be on for a few seconds before the place is filled with the smell of melting plastic. For quick shots or where colour isn't important, I have some powerful LED bulbs. LED is poor on the red area of the spectrum, which isn't a white balance problem, it's just an issue with the colour rendering of that kind of bulb. However, I have found, with careful custom white balance setting, it doesn't look too bad for most purposes. As I say, if colour were an important part of the shot (which it seldom is with my pictures), I would use the halogen bulbs.

      Flash is now the most commonly used light by "proper" photographers. However, I have carefully weighed up the pros and cons of continuous light versus flash for still life and have firmly come down on the side of continuous light, not least because its WYSIWYG nature suits the contemplative approach better.

      An LED panel might be a useful alternative to a softbox. Does it have a diffuser of some sort and, if so, is it effective? A softbox basically gives you a rectangle of even light, potentially the same as an LED panel. So, you could make cardboard masks for it, use grids with it. All the stuff that you can use to focus light from a softbox.
       
    10. I completely concur with your preference for constant lights
      over strobes and for much the same reason. For portraiture,
      and I do a lot of portraits of my dolls, the ratio of the key light
      to the fill light is everything. With my LED panels I can look
      at the lighting and I *know* that when I take the photo I have
      the light ratio that I want for that session.

      My panels came with a colored filter to emulate tungsten light
      and a clear diffuser but with over 500 lights in the panel I've
      never felt the need to use it. The panel works as it's designed,
      as an area of light rather than a point source. I do have two
      lights that use a single bright LED light.
       
    11. That sounds like a nice piece of kit. My LED bulbs have perhaps twenty bulbs in them and, without a diffusion panel on my softbox, the light is distinctly dabbled. That panel really would be a good alternative to use for a focused light. Being a cool bulb, you could rough up a black paper snoot for it and make yourself a spotlight. The possibilities!
       
    12. This was a great thread on lighting . I learn quite a bit .
       
    13. Thanks. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask.
      One or tother of us ought to know the answer. We might
      even agree on it. :)
       
      #13 TomB, Jun 21, 2017
      Last edited: Oct 20, 2017
    14. You never know! :lol:
       
    15. I was playing with the little light again this afternoon.
      It really is a lovely tool for obtaining dramatic light.
      This is my Island Doll Crystal.

      [​IMG]Elf girl by Tom Beach, on Flickr
       
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    16. Those are some nice, soft-edged shadows there. Looks like you're having fun!
       
    17. Coming back to this, as I have saved an example of what I was talking about up there. @TomB, you talked about a difficulty keeping your backgrounds dark enough and controlling light spill. I mentioned flagging with black card as a possible solution. I recently took a photo and I had this problem, with the background being too bright and so distracting. So, my solution is to hold a large piece of card close to the light source, then move it about until I am happy with the way the light falls on the background. Generally, move the shadow as close as you can to your subject, without it actually starting to block the light from their face. As I generally find that the lit side of the face is too bright and needs bringing down a bit in post processing, I do tend to let the cast shadow -just- touch the lit side of the face. With this one, I liked the image with some areas of light at diagonal corners of the background, as it adds some interest and is also like the backgrounds used in the 17th-18th century portraits I am currently obsessing over. I therefore held the card at an angle. As I am holding the card (and the shutter release cable) and not looking through the viewfinder, it does take a few goes before you have found a position that does what you want. You could use your preview screen, if you have a rotatable one. I can't see the bloody thing from anything more than a foot away, so I don't even try that. Anyway, this is what it does and that is how I do it. It's a handy technique, I find.

      So, pretty self explanatory. Left image is a single light, illuminating the figure and background (also with a matt silver reflector on the dark side of the face, to lighten the shadows there). Right image is with same light and reflector, in same position, but with a flag darkening the background. The darker background helps the face come forward in the image. Also adds some moodiness to it. So, there you are. Another idea for modifying light.

      [​IMG]
       
      #17 MadamMauMau, Oct 16, 2017
      Last edited: Oct 16, 2017
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    18. I find this image a bit off putting. I love the contrast and I love the
      ambiance but the light source is on our right and the background
      is also darker on our right. That bothers me at some level...

      I have somewhere back in my closet a reflector that I can mount on
      a light stand. I need to haul that out and see if I can't use it instead
      of a fill light and how that changes my lighting set ups. Our table pads
      have a black suede? backing and I use them when I want a pure black
      background. They really soak up light.

      [​IMG]Sultry by Tom Beach, on Flickr
       
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