Resin Comparison Iplehouse Older - Newer Resin Comparisons

I was the one who asked Iplehouse about the new resin and relayed the information. Here is the full answer as I got it from Iplehouse (I hope it's okay to share it):

 

When their English customer service person gets settled back in, I'm going to ask if this is a permanent change (I just don't want the question and answer to get lost in translation). This is really affecting the realism of these dolls, and although the new resin is still very nice, it just isn't the look I want for these particular dolls. Plus, the hand parts I got for both of these girls to share look odd (in my opinion) on the older doll.

Here are some PG comparison pictures.


Serca (left) was made in early 2013. Byuri (right) arrived in May 2014. You can see that the new resin is pinker -- though this may be due to the older doll yellowing -- but more importantly, you can see that the older resin has a translucent "glow" to it that the new resin doesn't have. Both face-ups are by me, with a total of 4-5 layers of Testors Dullcote.

PG comparison by AndreaJEP, on Flickr



Unblushed hands. Old on left, new on right.
PGComparison_050 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr



Face plates. New on left, old on right. The difference in opacity is VERY obvious here.
PGComparison_049 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr



Not sure how helpful this picture is but...old on left, new on right.
PGComparison_047 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr



Further experiments:
I currently have a pair of little wrist crescents taped to a window where they receive full afternoon and evening sun. Tomorrow it will have been a week. As soon as they show visible yellowing or other changes, I will post pictures. I have another pair, received at the same time, stored in a box away from any light to compare them to.

I thought of brushing a little bit of mica powder on the new resin to see if that gives it some "glow" in imitation of the old resin's translucency. I forgot to buy it today, but once I try it I will post again with pictures.

 

Ah...interesting...
I got my Arvid RS in 2013 but he was already opaque. So no loss for me, I guess. I've ordered Leonard in Real Skin so I can really compare when he gets here.

 

Oh, this is quite interesting. I haven't been following along, so this news is new to me. I own older Iplehouse dolls, so the difference in transparency was immediately apparent to me. I'm also curious if the new resin is a permanent change.

 

Thank you very much for the pictures, Jill in WV and Zardi! I got my Theo head today and he seems to be the older resin, as he does seem a bit more translucent than my Giorgio. But he's also kinda yellowed, like from sun exposure! :/ Just a little bit; I'm hoping a faceup will hide it. I'll take comparison pictures this weekend when the sun comes out and add them in.

 

Turns out my Felix is the old RS after all:

 

I just did this, since I had another question to ask as well. Posting it here since it is big! What they said:

"We are considering about switching back to old French resin but if we change it to old one, it will be hard to maintain current price. Some of us(make up artist) wants to go back to old resin and some (manufacturing team) wants to use current one. We discussed about it alot but it is hard to decide so we are considering it again.

Do you know how other customers think about current resin? If we can know how our customers feel about the resin, it will be easier to decide. We don't want to discuss about it openly on our site, so if you can give us any information regarding to this matter it will be useful."

Please, everyone who sees this and has an opinion, share it here. As they do not want it discussed openly on their site, please respect that too.

 

Interesting! I will wait until my Chris comes home until I have my say. Going by pictures, I would say I like the newer resin more - translucent is not what I'm after.

 

Um...are they in a hurry to know? Coz I really wouldn't know what to think and can't give them feedback until I get my Leonard, in July, to compare with my Arvid. I actually don't know which type of resin Arvid is in coz I have nothing to compare it to.

 

I have a new NS-Ringo and can't see much (if any) difference for this skin tone. I do see a huge difference for the PG. Not sure if it would be too difficult for IH to offer a choice? I like my 2014 new-PG Kassia very much, but some characters I prefer with the old PG...The new SR looks more as if the face were covered in powder, whereas the old SR looks more 'olive'. I guess that's what other people called 'yellow'. I can definitely see the loss in translucence for PG and SR. Overall the older resin looks also softer to me.

 

I quoted exactly what they said so that's all I know.

Reading between the lines - they had to change due to supply issues. The make-up artists prefer the old resin. The manufacturing team are happy with the new one. Now the english-manager is back, they are catching up with orders and the pressure has gone down and they have actually shipped out a number of dolls with the new resin to customers. Therefore, they have the mental space and time to discuss the issue with each other again and feedback from customers would be relevant to the discussion.

I do not think they are in a hurry or have a deadline, although it's reasonable to assume that at some point they will commit to one or the other. But they didn't say.

 

I've always thought the old RealSkin had a great realistic look to it. Without the translucency, the new dolls seem to look closer to cheap plastic. I'm definitely a bit disappointed in the changes.

 

Same here. I prefer the realism of the old resin, enough that it is negatively affecting my enjoyment of my Byuri (new PG). I would jump to replace her with an old resin version, even at a higher price if that's what Iple needs. Right now, she fits in better with my MNF than she does with my other Iples.

Glad you asked, and doubly glad to see they might switch back! See details above since Iple is looking for opinions.

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Can't really contribute until I receive Leonard (who is in NS, so I don't know if that'll make much of a difference). To those who have Iples in the old NS and new NS, was there any noticeable difference?

 

I don't have any old NS, but I like my Douglas' s resin from this year. I have no idea what the old resin looks like in person because I've only held/seen one iple in real life and that's mine.

 

I prefer the old resin. I really liked the translucency of the old PG resin and don't like the more opaque new PG resin. I would pay more for the old, translucent resin.

 

I'm in the same boat as other people with having to wait until my April ordered PG Rex arrives to be able to compare him to the other PG dolls I have that were made with the old PG resin. When he gets here I'll be able to edit this post with my own preference. I will say, though, that I kinda like the idea of the opaque resin for my big manly man and the translucent resin for my girls. If Iple would be able to offer both; than would be great, but I know that would mean more work with having to manage 2 recipes for one color. :-/

 

It's only PG and RS that are affected -- WS, NS, GS, and LB are not. (It's possible that Ebony might be, but they're so rare that I don't think an Ebony doll has arrived home since the resin change. I'd guess not, because they've never looked translucent to me.)

NS is definitely the same, since my Chris arrived yesterday!

Chris is maybe a tiiiiiny bit more pink-toned than my older NS girls, but they have also mellowed a little bit, since they're 2+ years old. He's not overly pink or anything, it's still a really nice, pale NS -- I think the difference is that he still has a little bit more red pigment in his resin than my girls do, which is normal for a new doll versus an older one.

I personally think that the French-resin PG looks better, but I'm neutral about RS -- I like both resin tones.

The old RS could photograph somewhat grey at times (even when brand-new), so the slightly warmer tone of the opaque resin looks really nice . . . OTOH, it comes off as more "light tan" than "RS", since RS has always had that slight translucency.

With the Peach Gold, I'd reduce the red pigment in the new formulation, to make it more "peach gold" than "pink gold."

For RS . . . maybe they could offer urethane RS and French-resin RS (at a higher price), like the companies that produced Narin/Narae used to do? That way, people could get the exact color and resin formulation they want, without everyone who wanted a darker-than-NS skintone needing to pay a premium.

-- A

 

So far I've only recieved PG dolls in the new resin...and I like the old PG better.

Here's an older Doria head on a new PG body from a Rebecca.

Wiggy trials by luluna33, on Flickr

I thought this head would share Rebecca's body....but the color is different enough that I don't think I will.

 

If we are throwing in our two cents…personally, my vote is for the old resins.
That translucency really adds a certain kind of life to the sculpts. I can completely relate to the Iplehouse facup artist, because it is just lovely to paint. It makes the colors feel warm and somehow "in" the resin. I don't know how to describe that. But I can see the difference clearly since I'm used the old kind.

 

Dollshe appear to be going down the 2 types of resin route, old style opaque "normal " skin & new translucent "honey" skin, wonder if that news has had any effect on Iple? http://dollshecraft.com/board/view.php?board_name=DREAMBOARD20&choose2=&choose1=&pagenow=1&CB=&ID=11

 

I like both colours, with a slight tendency towards the newer one. I suspect the new formula won't yellow / green as quickly as the old (not that the more recent batches of "old" RS were still greening as bad as the first were), what with it being more opaque. Going back to the old formula on the other hand would make my old plans for head- and body-switching possible again (the new RS is different enough for me to have to re-do faceups to match, and I'm not wiping the only doll with company faceup I own) ... higher prices however might push them so far off into the future that my "old" RS doll will have aged so much that it becomes impossible anyway.

I really can't say what I'd prefer right now. There are pros and cons to either possibility.

 

Two more pics from me, crossposted to the EID and SID Discussion:

unblushed arms (trying to hide Felix's hand as he came with company manicure) and


faces. I should point out that Felix has a company faceup and is blushed a lot more than Bibiane.

 

Posting by request:

I asked a question about the new resin colors, stating that I really like the old RS better and if they could, maybe give us an option to choose from the drop down menu:
newPG $50
oldPG $60
newRS $100
oldRS $110
something like that.
This was the English site manager's reply.

Dear Yuan,

We are considering about few options and we haven't decided anything yet.
Last year, around December, we had to change the resin because it was impossible to get them for more than 3 months.
Also there was a delay in manufacturing so we had no choice but to change into current resin.
Current resin also has pros compared to old resin so it is hard to think old resin is much better in every side.
For instance, it is more resistant to sunlight, inexpensive.
Also it is easier to produce so efficient and reduces manufacturing time.

We don't use French resin for White and Normal skin and since it doesn't show any difference in Light Brown and Ebony skin, most affected two color will be Peach Gold and Special Real skin.

We are considering several options and also testing other new resins too.
So it is hard to give you any answer now but we will consider your opinion too.
It will take some time, but when we decide we will post it on NOTICE.

If you have any other thoughts, please don't hesitate to contact us.
Thank you very much for sharing your precious idea with us and have a nice day.
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I guess they had no choice but to change the resin or sit on their hands while we bombard them with questions and threats demanding our dolls. Actually...if it was me, I think I wouldn't mind waiting for the french resin to arrive.

And since the English manager was not adverse to my suggestions, I guess they really want some feedback. I think it may be a good idea for people to start posting their thoughts about this resin change. But DISCREETLY. I put my order number in the heading so other people would think I was just asking about my order.

 

Maybe someone could refer Iplehouse to this thread so they can read stuff here without having to respond to each inquiry?

 

Luluna, that's a good idea!!

I do like the idea of having a choice between French resin and urethane resin, so that people can choose the color that they're going for.

I understand that Iple was over a barrel, with a huge glut of orders and 3 months without access to their supplier for the translucent resin -- it probably would have been a better idea to let people with existing orders know about the change (so that they wouldn't be surprised), but I think the timing was terrible, since the English manager was on maternity leave, and the face-up artist was swamped with doing translations *and* painting.

I'm glad that Iple is considering their options, and I hope that they can come up with something that allows them to produce dolls effectively and at a price point that reflects the cost of materials, but that makes owners happy as well.

-- A

 

While I'm never fond of finding out about resin changes after the fact (this could have been handled much better)...I'm actually kinda happy about the difference the pictures show... I was very hesitant about ordering my Chris in RS specially because of the translucency.

I really like painting french resin (they are a dream to blush), but I hate photographing them, because they always feel out of focus on every picture I see (or take). I prefer the opaque look in person, too, and I wasn't overly fond of the faint olive cast to the old RS. So this change just might result in the perfect skincolor for my tastes - but I understand those who preferred the old one, as the difference is quite visible even on pictures.

I guess offering both as differently priced options might be the best solution. Anyway, I might chip in again after my Chris arrives and I see the color in person

 

Just thought I'd point out that there is a noticeable difference in the new and old LB resin. Finally met Hazel and she is noticeably lighter than Rayne who I got in nov 2012. Also the resin feels more grainy and isn't as smooth as the old. Overall I prefer the old as the new is a little washed out. If iple offer the old resins again then I will most likely sell Hazel and reshell her.

I have Rayne's feet with me so I'll try and get a decent comparison pic.

 

I think IH needs to have someone on staff just join DoA... not nesasarily as a dealer/rep but just so they can follow all the IH convo's and such... Although getting a dealer/rep who dropped goodies in here (like pre previews ;p ) would be awesome lol.

 

Referring them here is a good idea, buy are we sure they don't have anyone registered on DoA already?

Anyway, I'd be happy to post there and give them the link to this thread. Can anyone think of a clever Q&A title that is discreet yet also won't be misleading for them? Maybe just "resin question"?

I feel the same way about Byuri that I received last month. If they bring the old resin back, she's getting re-shelled.

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LB isn't quite the same issue though - I have two from late 2012, one from 2013, two from 2014. One of the 2014 is darker and redder, the other is not. My 2013 is a touch washed out. So I don't think that the resin formula change is to blame there - the timing doesn't match for me. I'm planning to photograph that set today, I'll post the result.

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My RS Luna is supposed to come sometime in mid July, and im eager to compare her to my 2012 RS sculpt. Just by looking at the photos, my first impression is optimistic. I think its cool to try something new, for experimentation, but i still like the older French resin. It looks richer and gives a warmer feel to the doll. The pink on the other hand gives a healthier look to the doll. I think it would be good if it was offered for limited edition sets as a distinguished look.

 

I will have to see it in person when I get my Bliss to be able to provide input. From what I'm seeing in the photos, the pros of the new resin is the colour (I like it better, and I imagine with it not starting out with a yellow tone, it would probably age more gracefully), and I feel like it works better for the body (the old resin made, for example, knuckles look translucent and it just did not look right).

However there really was something ethereal about how the faces looked when cast with the old resin. The newer resin doesn't quite have the same look of aliveness.

I totally understand why they'd do it, but it totally bums me out that some of us had to make the order without knowing, let alone having a choice. Especially the people that have had to order limiteds in this time period. I understand that they were under a huge backlog and an unreliable supplier would've been a massive additional headache. I probably still would've gone with RS on my order, but... I would've like to go into it knowingly instead of finding out a month after placing the order that what I'm expecting is not what I'm going to get.

 

I guess I'm lucky, I'm one of those ppl that gets all the 'extra parts' at the same time... and I have no intention of venturing into hybrids any time soon... too much just getting the basics lol. But my Luna has her extra hands as does my JID and my Bliss will be the new stuff so no mix worries there since she's my first nYID. It will be the same with Edan... I'll get all his extra hands (needed for the weapons anyhow) and feet with him so it will also be the same 'batch'. And I suspect a new woman will also be a SID so will need the right size hands to go with anyhow... And I'm glad I have a spare body size for Dex... but ya I'll have to watch for an 'older' spare head now. ><

 

I think there's some slight variance between batches, but my 2011 Lahela, my 2012 Aaliyah/Vamp!Aaliyah, my 2013 Vamp!Claude, and my 2014 Ashanti are all fairly consistent.

However, my Ashanti's body (which is a nYID/SID hybrid that Weslie put together, bought in early 2013, arrived in April 2013) is two noticeably different tones, even though she bought both bodies at the same time. It's not a bad mismatch (I think it looks a little bit like natural tan lines, and I don't know if people would notice it, if I didn't point it out), but the nYID parts are darker and richer-toned than the SID parts (which match the 2014 LB Ashanti head.)


Saba par Ashbet, sur Flickr

You can see that her shoulders are darker than her torso -- and it's not a yellowing issue, she was like that when she arrived.

I think there is always going to be some minor variation in resin pigmentation, especially between doll sizes and between time periods, but I don't think they've actually changed the formulation for LB resin in the past three years.

I have six LB dolls, made between 2011 and 2014, four of which (human Aaliyah, Vamp!Claude, Luo, and Ashanti) were assembled through separate, after-the-fact body and head purchases, and I think if there had been any significant resin changes, I wouldn't have been able to put a circa-2013 Luo head on a 2011 Elchanan body.

(I will say that my Luo head is the only one that seems to have a very slight translucency to the resin, but that may be an artifact of the face-up, or he may be slightly yellowed -- I bought him thirdhand, and while I know when he was painted, it's possible that the head may have had a previous owner prior to 2013. Even so, he's still a good match to the 2011 body, and the 2011 body isn't noticeably dissimilar from the 2014 SID male body -- they're standing next to each other, so it's easy to make a resin comparison.)

Not saying that there might not have been a batch difference in your dolls, Troublestar, just that it's not something I've observed in my own dolls.

-- A

 

So...back on the first page, I mentioned that I had hung some "new" PG wrist crescents to yellow in a window to see what would happen. I have the results of the experiment.

I left the wrist crescents in their little baggie and taped them to a west-facing window (on the inside) that gets very little shade. The doll and extra hands arrived around May 16th, so the crescents have been in full sun for about one month.

newPG_yellowing_experiment by AndreaJEP, on Flickr


I think the results mostly speak for themselves. Of course, most of us don't leave our dolls in full sun, even inside the house. Indeed, my dolls are kept in a display cabinet in my living room, but only receive ambient light (sunlight and compact fluorescent). The poor little yellowed crescents matched the hand at the top of the picture just one month ago, and now look more like natural skin than PG, though still yellower than NS. I put the approximate dates that I received each doll, for reference.

I put the crescents back on the window to see what else happens, whether there is any greening or loss of opacity, or whatever. (Yay, science?)

Hope this is useful. I would love to do this with old PG as well, but I don't have any spare parts.

 

I dont like that at all O.o... have you posted that picture on their Q&A? I think if they knew what happened with the new resin and yellowing, then maybe they would be able to come to a decision about the formula more easily. It is crazy how light they got compared even with the old PG.

I do like the color of the new resin... but if it will yellow easily then that is a problem. I was all worried about yellowing with the translucency of the old pg... but this new one doesnt look like it is less likely to yellow majorly.... I know you put them in full sun for a month... but I thought perhaps they would still be close to the same color as the original, just a little less pink. Instead they look lighter than the normal skin.... almost white looking to me.... but a little darker/more yellow.

 

Thanks for doing this Zardi!!!! They really got lighter huh? But at least they didn't turn green (yet). But it is a good reminder to watch where we display our dolls.

I read somewhere that fluorescent light also has some of effects of the sun on resin....so I guess we might need to watch that as well.

 

Yeah, it worries me too. I haven't let them know yet, but that is a good idea. Though, I wish their English manager would just get an account here and read the thread.

I think I will sacrifice one of my "old" PG wrist crescents from my Serca and do the same experiment, then at least we can see if the old resin is more stable or less.

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Zardi you absolutely must tell them! According to the test they ran themselves on the old PG resin (It's available under Iple Talk -> Iple Data), there was barely any colour change after 40 days in direct sunlight, and this doesn't seem to be the case for the new resin. If it's something about the new resin that's causing this, then they need to know as soon as possible so they can start taking the steps to fix it.

 

don't forget that tiny rings would turn way faster... they tested thick head caps....

food analogy... it's easier to cook a thin slice of meat faster than a thick one... same idea.

 

I just want to say again...I'm not happy with the new resin. And now I've heard that it paints up differently than the older stuff and that has me worried....

 

thanks for this and I will see if I can add it to the 'notice' post in the wait room! ^^

 

I didn't know this thread existed! It's so helpful, thanks for all the comparisons.

 

Hey everyone! I just received my new PG Claude from the DCS and I did some pics of him in the sun yesterday so you could get a good idea of the new color. He looks a lot different in the shade and indoors than he does in the sunlight. I think you'd have to set up good lighting indoors to get that beautiful peachy color that Iplehouse shows in their pictures. Overall, I really like him (but he is my first Iplehouse )

 

I got my PG Stella today, so I was able to took a comparison picture with my nYID Emilia, made in January 2013.
I was quite worried about my Stella, since I love my nYID's skin color so much and feared that I might not like the new PG at all. Luckily my fears turned out to be pointless and the new shade is lovely as well.

The picture was taken inside next to a window, natural light.

To be honest, I don't think there's that much of a difference.. I was expecting something hugely different, but to me it just looks like the older resin is more yellow/creamy in shade and also has a bit more shine to it since the MSC has worn off of the body. I've noticed it with both my NS and PG girls that IH resin evenly changes its color within a few months of the arrival, even if the doll is not kept in sunlight or lamp light, and after that it doesn't really yellow that much. So soon my Stella will probably be the same color as my other PG girl.

 

It just seems more solid, and as Iple have said it's more durable so I don't have a problem with it. I think it's nice to have different tones in my family, it makes theme more real. I don't know a single person who I can say has the same skin tone in real life so I like the change.

 

The translucency issue doesn't bother me particularly (and I saw this comparison of old/new ebony resin a while back - obviously these are both older than the 2014 cut off date, but if like the other resins in this thread the difference is a little darker/lighter or a little more red/yellow tone then for me the new one is a much nicer, richer brown) and it especially doesn't bother me if the new resin is more durable as jacobean said. I've heard a few horror stories about iplehouse's resin feet hooks snapping and for me at least if the trade of is translucency vs durability then durability wins every time... but of course, that's just me.

However the way the new resin lightened in Zardi's test is REALLY concerning. I'm currently saving for an EID Taregan and I'm now worried. Will be keeping my eye on this thread. If anyone has a comparison between 2013/2014 ebony resin I would love to see it.

 

I just want to point out that not ALL the resin colors changed with the 'big change'.... W, NS & Ebony are 3 that IH said were not changed as they don't use french resin to make them... it was the french resin related colors that were affected by the big switch.

 

My test concerns me greatly as well. However, as someone mentioned, small pieces yellow faster than larger ones. I hope Iple's own tests (which they are doing with torsos I think) are more promising.



Edit: I'm going to redo the test with some of the extra hands I ordered along with Byuri, to see if I can yellow them to the point that they better match my "old PG" BID without needing to blush. The worst that will happen is that I will need to blush them anyway. We'll see how it goes!

 

Yeah, of course - small things are always going to yellow faster, and, of course, we're not usually going to be sitting them in direct sunlight taped to a window! So there's that, but still, worrying.

Lady Tiku - ah, I had no idea about that. I wasn't aware they'd made any recent changes at all until I found this thread. If someone's said that previously I apologise for missing it in my skim read of the posts!

 

I honestly wish they'd lighten up the new Ebony resin slightly -- if you check out Tonner Girl's photo, you can see her Ebony Aaliyah. (Note that she does generally take flash photos, so there is a lot of shine bounce-back.)

I preferred the Special Edition Ashanti shade, because it seemed to work better with face-ups and MSC.

That has nothing to do with the recent resin changes, though -- they've been tinkering with the Ebony color since it was first released, and each LE version was slightly different (original-release Taregan had more red than the current crop of Ebony resin.)

I still really want an Ebony Ashanti one of these days -- and Taregan is GORGEOUS, he's been on my "if I win the lottery" list ever since he was originally released, although I wish I could get that awesome necklace that his LE version came with!

-- A

 

I did it, and the hands were ready today (July 5th). In fact, they lightened a bit past where I wanted them to match old PG. I will take pictures tomorrow in daylight to compare the hands with old PG and new PG.

 

I received my new batch resin doll, I have to say I really like it. It might not be the popular consensus and I can understand why. The colour is a more solid pink and does seem to feel more matte, less silky smooth. The old PG was my favourite tone from any company.
This new batch feels more sturdy and I actually like the difference in contrast to my other dolls. I don't know a single person in real life that has the exact same skin tone as me. So for me, I actually like it. If feels durable and I like having her look a little different from my three previous PG dolls. It's a very healthy pink and makes her look quite cute, I'm probably the only person that doesn't want it to mellow!

 

Sorry, I took these pictures the day after, then forgot to post them! I put one pair of spare hands in the window from July 1st to July 5th. Three of those days were very sunny, and one was overcast. In that time, they mellowed to match old PG in color (they are still opaque), and actually are a teensy bit lighter. Here are some pictures, which were taken with afternoon light coming through a window. The differences are more obvious in person.

DSC_0106 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr
DSC_0105 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr
DSC_0102 by AndreaJEP, on Flickr

It will mellow to match pretty closely to old PG, as I tested above. It isn't the color that bothers me (you're right, no two people have the exact same skin color), but rather the loss of translucence, which makes the new dolls look less realistic. Just my opinion, though.

 

I'm curious....does the new RS also get lighter if it's left out in the sun?