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It looks pretty good to me, actually XD Hmm, why don't you try to make his chest and ribcage longer?

 

Do these help at all?





(From: http://fineart.sk/index.php?s=8&cat=12)

 

My two cents would be that on the profile view the neck, knees and ankles are way too thick.

 

Here's my sketch over yours:



The neck is rather thick...and his traps are a bit high. Also shins curve just a tiny bit.

 

on the side view i think that the chest isn't out quite far enough
i can't edit to show what i mean though

 

I don't know how to explain right what I mean T.T It's like the chest and the ribcage are a little bit small if you campare to the remaining torso... Like Maggs said, they should go a little bit further...

I also can't edit your drawing to express myself better... sorry

...And I need to restart my english classes... t.t...

 

I really like your reds (preliminary sketches). This is the best way to go about designing a doll. Professional graphics artists use a light box and tracing paper to refine their sketches. I still think that pencil and paper is the best way to go. There is nothing like the feel of a pencil drawing on paper for getting swirling, nebulous ideas, solidified.

I'm still trying to figure out how much actual artistic anatomy is really needed to design a BJD? The main thing to know is the size of doll you want to make, and the relative proportions of the doll based more or less on age -- because age and head lengths are related. After that, knowing the three main rigid parts of the body (skull, ribcage, hips), and how they relate to each other in space, and by volume is a good thing to know. Then there are the long rigid parts of the arms and legs, and their volumes in relation to the other parts. All these parts are connected by joints. Once the proportions have been figured out, and the volumes adjusted to the aesthetic you are trying to achieve, then really, only surface anatomy needs to be understood. You'll model your surface anatomy on the parts, right?

You can come up with an almost infinite number of variations, based on the above essentials.




Of course, in art school they told us that we needed to be informed of all the things under the surface in order to draw, paint or sculpt the figure convincingly. But once the basic forms are understood, who remembers all the names of all those muscles and tendons and so forth? I never think that I'm modelling the Latissimus dorsi, or the Pectoralis major when I'm modelling. My right brain doesn't label things like that. I mean, sure, learn it, but don't get too hung up on it, right? Who wants a doll that looks like an écorché?

Also, the ideal proportions are just that, ideal. Ideal proportions are just a construct. Use them as a guide only, don't slavishly follow them. Actually, it is your personal ideal that will make your doll your own original creation. Real people aren't dolls, and dolls aren't real people, so a doll isn't bound by reality. Real people have Ectomorphic, EndoMorphic, and Mesomorphic types of bodies, with combinations of those three types. Dolls can be anything your imagination wants them to be, right?

In the end, the decisions you make are what make the doll uniquely yours. Isn't this an incredible hobby? It boggles my mind. :confused:

 

i'm no expert but it's my best try
also i scribbled all over it not necessarily where it needs fixing |D;;;

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/weloveyouall/anatomyschematic2fix.jpg

the green is where you want it to line up or chances are your doll won't stand X:
also i noticed that you made the head a tad to small not length wise but width wise

also looking at your other drawing i think it would work better if you made it more lithe, that would be so awesome *A*! if you need help with that i could try helping

 

i'm glad i helped !

well not really that was a bit of an overshot (bing a quick scribble) >x< it's about the same thickness through out, but sideways the major muscle structure looks like 2 triangles that make a square 8D;;;? i hope you understand what i mean? the slope of the front of the neck is the same as the back

well that all depends on where the dolls ear is LOL the matter is THAT should be the case but placing ears on a head can be a challenge ... basically what i mean is that it's atomically correct but that's not what makes the doll stand

 

His neck is too thick and straight-up-and-down at the back. Necks actually sit a bit forward on the shoulders and angle forward a little. He also needs more of an arch in his mid-to-lower back. That part is too straight. You could also suck in his abs a bit if you wanted to give him a nice waist. And you're right, ankles too thick in profile. They should be not too much thicker than the wrist.

 

I would disagree on the sculpting/drawing link. Although it can be helpful for some, drawing before sculpting is by no means necessary. I can draw but almost never draw my sculptures out first. In some cases I have sculpt something I've drawn though. Usually when I do that its because I initially only intended the subject to be drawn but upon finishing decided a dimensional representation would be more to my liking.

 

My mentor, Martha Armstrong-Hand, gave me an important piece of advice back then, one that I have passed on many times. She told me to study classical art and anatomy, not dolls! ~Helen Kish
http://collectdolls.about.com/library/prm/blkish.htm

 

Artistic Anatomy Books

Two of my fave artistic anatomy books are:

Anatomy of the Human Form.
Eliot Goldfinger.
Oxford University Press, 1991.

and

Atlas of Human Anatomy for the Artist.
Stephen Rogers Peck.
Oxford University Press, 1982.

I used to collect anatomy books because I find them so fascinating.
Those two are the best of the lot, as far as I'm concerned, and I refer
to them more than the others when I need to know some artistic
human anatomy stuff.

 

Neck, torso, knees and ankles are still thick IMHO

 

I like the thick legs. I wouldn't advise you to change anything from your original drawing. Are you creating for yourself or others?

 

penguu your defenatly getting there! but with all the lines it's hard to see
i would suggest from years of expiration in struggling to get that dam still life the right shape, you should ether move on or start over again with what you have learned, it would be much more productive xD just leave the old drawing and try again (you can even lightly trace where it on a new sheet of paper) you can always go back to it anyway

i think your lines just need a bit more confidence that's all >u<
you need to see where things go strait bump and dent and make long confident lines
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/weloveyouall/anatomyschematicprettylegs3copyoutline.jpg

and here is with an underlying (crappy and somewhat incorrect) skeleton
http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/weloveyouall/anatomyschematicprettylegs3copyskeleton.jpg

best of luck 8D!

 

to fix the foot set the heel back and the figure isn't feminine at all P: when doing these kinds of drawings don't forget that people are all shapes and sizes so learn where the muscles are and go from there xD

 

I don't think the shoulders look too narrow in the front view. The front view legs look a bit thinner than the profile view though. From the back view he seems to have strange man-love-handles going on. If you remove those you should have a nicer silhouette which you should match up with your front view.

He's got a really likeable face, btw.I hope you can repeat that in a sculpt

 

Hold up, I'll do some photoshopping while you're still online. Give me a few mins. :XD

 

For a muscular guy the chest should be wider. I've only done a quick sketch 'cause I'm keeping my boyfriend up.
I think I'll try again a bit more tomorrow. I'm a newbie at Photoshop but I'm getting used to how brave you can be on this program.

 

if you want a manly look, add some buffness to the biceps

and yeah make the shoulder and chest wider. Think of women as a pear while man as the opposite, a pear up side down.

I would also make the pecks a little more pronounced on the side view

And also the rib cages below the pecks, I'd try to make that look less abrupt in relationship with the abs.
Hard to explain so here's a picture (http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/b...ris-cuba-shirtless-male-model-07132009-44.jpg)


For the back view, men tend to have like a bump on the side of their butt cheeks so I'd add that.


I also get the feelings that the legs are a bit too spread out from the butt on the back view

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For the face, if you want it really manly that it's almost scary, you can make the nose bend down a bit more, make the chin more pronounced, make the cheeks more bony, and move the eyes up closer to the brows.

But your face proportions are already fine , this is just if you want it more manly looking.

 

Aw! But I really love his face. People make the two extremes; super hench with blocky faces or soft girly guys.This is my perfect man-doll face atm. (once it's been made D: )

 

o WOW That looks perfect!! I LOVE the profile : Can we see front views???

 

oh noes D: too bad it got damaged, it looked nice ;__;

it helps if your room is near freezing temperature so pop a window open when working LOL

 

That's such a shame! He looked great. With more work I would buy a head like that (Provided I had any cash for a body :s)

 

Oh I'm so sorry to hear that ;A;

 

This drawing looks like the Asian Ball Jointed Doll anatomy that is seen on most ABJDs?

 

oh nice :'D my only critiques would be that the back isn't arched enough ... and the butt might be to small but that might be just my deranged preferences >__>;;;

 

I think the butt and legs are slightly smaller and out of proportion with the upper half of the body. I think both the butt and legs should be thicker to give the impression of more arch in the lower back.

But I also think that my peeve with most BJD bodies is that the legs are too small and thin compared to the torso and I'm not sure if it's personal preference because I have little notion of correct anatomy.

 

what twigling said, i think that hits the mark

 

Is that what you are aiming for? Seems too young and short to me, compared to what you've drafter above...

 

I understand what you mean, I think. Although I can't really see the arch in the back on the Spirit Elegance body because he is not depicted fully from the side. He does seem to have more of an arch but the butt and legs are kinda hidden, overall I think that body looks more even from top to bottom though. I think the smallness of the legs on your drawing is mostly in the profile and back view.

Let's see what du-hast thinks...

 

wow i feel all presured xD
the body you linked is kinda hard to reference off of (through i totally love the sculpt >u> )

i sketched over it again (i hope you don't mind ) to figure out what was bothering me

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z206/weloveyouall/anatomyschematicprettylegs5copy.jpg

i think you made the hips too short, men actually have very long hips while women have wide and flat, it's not true for all but mostly >u>;;; this would also make the bum bigger solving two problems at once

also i filled out the legs a bit and the back of calf but if you ever looked around you will notice that everyone has really differently shaped legs, so the rest is really a matter of personal preference/what sort of build your going for