Why did I pick eBay for my first doll!? (Scammer Saidee88 / mybayer2008)

Uum... I REALLY hate to break this to you but It has been mentioned several times on the forums here and on the actual Angel of Dream doll site that Deedee-88 is a doll scammer.... she makes doll copies, or at least has in the past. She isn't a verified seller!

 

Do a search in the forums here for "ebay scam" and she will pop up.
Heres the link:
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239291&highlight=ebay+doll+scam

 

Unfortunately, Saidee88 (the seller of the doll) and AoD (the company that made the doll) are having issues. Saidee is not one of their authorized dealers, but has been acting as a retailer on ebay. AoD has asked her to stop, but she won't. As far as everyone knows, the AoD dolls she is selling are not copies--she purchased them from someone else and is reselling them via ebay. However, as this is against the company's wishes, they will not be permitted on DoA.

Here's the link to the discussion thread about this:
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=239291

It's very tempting to use ebay, and I used to when I was buying a lot of model horse related things. However, it can be tricky with bjds if you are new and less familiar with them, because while there are many trustworthy people, there are also individuals that you'll want to avoid and ebay doesn't tend to do much about scammers and bootleggers. Buying through authorized dealers or going directly to the company will help protect you from this. Also, when you get marketplace access, you'll be able to buy second hand here--there's still an element of buyer beware anytime you buy secondhand, but DoA is much better about policing than ebay is.

 

I think it has been established that she doesn't sell copies, but actual AoD dolls that she either purchases under the table from the same company who does them for AoD OR does the whole currency conversion speculation where she buys them from AoD for the chinese price (which is usually around $100 cheaper) and then sells them at competitive prices on eBay, thus undermining AoD.

In any case, those ARE real AoD dolls, but they're still not allowed on Den of Angels because of the way this transaction is handled and AoD's voiced displeasure of the situation.

That being said.... I'll probably sound like a broken record, but not doing even a small amount of research before spending so much money on a frivolous object is setting yourself up for trouble. eBay is the WORST place for a beginner in any hobby to start their purchases, because of the sheer amount of counterfeit things that might seem like a good buy to a newbie but will be identified as a definite fake by someone more experienced. (In this case, you were kind of lucky because you still ended up with an authentic, though still kind of frowned upon doll) I actually still avoid shopping there because of the uncertainty factor.

It also seems like you bought stuff from different sellers, whereas if you went through a company, you'd have probably been able to purchase everything from one place and save on shipping (and have it arrive in one happy parcel!) Although that may be just a personal preference.

 

i am sorry that you did not use the DOA forum before you bought your first doll, so that you would have been better informed. in the future, if you learn to use this forum properly..... search for answers to any questions you may have, you will make good, informed decisions in the future. there is so much to learn, and it takes a little time and patience to get fully acquainted with the bjd hobby. it is an expensive hobby, and you will want to make sure that you make good choices in the future.
don't get discouraged, this is a great hobby, and this forum is the best place to learn about bjd's and make friends. you can still enjoy your doll even if you can't post your pictures here.

 

Well... besides the fact that you purchased your doll from a scammer, those eyes are much too big for her and the stockings are much too small. The eyes are 20mm; SD dolls usually take 18mm. The stockings are for Unoa dolls, which are MUCH smaller than SD dolls.

In the future, PLEASE research before you start buying. :/ Would you have bought a pet you didn't know anything about without researching first?

 

Also, just to help you out a bit: 60cm dolls can wear anything from 16mm-20mm eyes depending on the sculpt (some have larger eyes than others) as well as the owner's taste. I tend to go a little smaller in a lot of mine (though not always) so they look more mature, while others like to go larger. Sometimes it takes some experamenting to figure out what works best for your doll.
The shoes, bra and panties (very cute btw) and top should fit fine (shirts tend to depend a bit on bust size, but if it will fit a Luts 1/3 girl, you shouldn't have any problems). Only the stripy stockings are too small.

There are also some very trustworthy US dealers that can save you a bit on shipping. Junky Spot and Denver Doll Emporium are two good ones. Junky Spot is a dealer for AoD, and Denver Doll carries a lot of clothes and wigs as well as various doll brands.

 

For dolls and accessories, I've had good experiences on eBay with sellers like mimiwoo (mimiwoo.com) and natalie622, and, of course Junkyspot. I've also bought from mybayer2008, taking a chance on some boots I really wanted at a good price, and I had a positive experience.

EDIT: I bought from mybayer2008 before the scandal of their bootlegs became apparent. I would not recommend buying from them, and I would not buy from them in the future.

Beachgirlnikita is a good seller and is actually on the boards here on DoA! Sunrise Dolls, LLC, though is also known to sell Laura Dream Dolls, which are proved copies and recasts, unfortunately!

I'm so sorry your first experience turned out like this! DoA is always here to help, though! Good luck!

EDIT: Trying to think of other good doll sellers on eBay. Just purchased a Lazule (and arrived!) from Contemporary Doll Shoppe (who has a website: contemporarydollshop.com) or dollsnbeans. Swan20 is reliable, Kuina, Sunny, and more. And you can find most of them right here on the boards, too! ^^

For future reference, here's a great thread with links to trustworthy BJD sites: http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=17192

 

Junky Spot isn't a dealer for AoD. On the other hand LEDolls, Earthika, TeacupDreams, and a few others are. Junky Spot is a dealer though for a lot of other dolls though. If you want to use ebay, Renasance Fashion is also a legal Ebay dealer. I think the closest dealer to you is Lone Star Dolls.

 

I just went to Junky Spot, and you're right--no more AoDs. They carried them up till fairly recently, though.

 

You won't be able to post pictures of the doll or sell her here.

 

DOA has very specific rules and guidelines as to what is allowed or not allowed to post on the forum. read the forum rules and facts stickies. you will find all the information about what is allowed or not.

 

Basically means you can't post pictures and want not since it's not from the actual company/dealers. The doll community is really strict with that kind of stuff. =/

 

Well I'm not sure how anyone can say you can't show your doll on here, as if you hadn't been honest about where she came from, noone would be any the wiser if she is a genuine AOD doll which sounds like she is. It's not the buyer's fault they bought the doll from someone who is undercutting AOD. How is that any different from someone buying a doll from a company then sticking it up for sale on DoA for more (which happens frequently)?? Not sure I understand why everyone is blaming this poor buyer who is the innocent one in this.

 

Actually, I do not see this seller listed here:

http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173020

Seeing as they are not actually fakes, I think it would be unfair not to allow them to be posted. I was not aware that this seller's dolls were banned. Can someone clarify?

Edit: OK, I just read the fake AOD thread and see that dolls from that seller are banned from this forum. Why is it not in the banned dolls thread?

 

i think the reason for the ban on dolls from this particular seller is because of the way she is getting the dolls. AOD does not authorize her as a dealer, and does not want to be undercut by unauthorized sales of their dolls. they want to have some kind of control over their product to protect the integrity of their company. no one is trying to punish any one who has innocently purchased a doll from her, but in fact is trying to discourage her continued sales of unauthorized dolls.

 

That post is old and hasn't been changed since 2006, and new scammers have popped up since then. aod has a few people that have done stuff like this and their not on it.

 

Yes, it's not to punish unsuspecting buyers, but to discourage what saidee's doing and support the company.

Not being able to post pics on DoA doesn't mean that an owner still can't enjoy their doll and share it in other venues (personal websites/blogs, Deviant Art, doll meetups, etc). Because it was at least made by AoD the quality will be good. I would think of it as a learning experience and still enjoy the doll since it was purchased in good faith.

I feel bad for anyone that bought a doll in good faith from this seller, but I also understand AoD's point of view. In this case, DoA is just trying to stand by the company.

 

I know it's not much use right now......but I know of at least 2 sellers who are legit dealers on ebay:

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/BJD-Dolls < renaissancefashion
I got my B&G afra from this guy, and hes perfect! arrived in record time and was immaculate.

http://stores.ebay.co.uk/DollsSinging_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsxQ3asstQQtZkm
I got my first doll from this guy back in 06 this was back when doll scammers on ebay werent so in force, they seem to have come out like an army since then o.0

also this guy isnt a dealer, but hes an avid collector of BJD's and has way more money than is good for him it seems, so he's recently been selling parts of his collection on ebay, at least 2 people have bought full dolls from him, and they have arrived, completley legit and official. I have bought a dream of doll outfit from him, and am currently awaiting the arrival. Heres the link to him:

http://shop.ebay.co.uk/merchant/chrischoy2007

 

My SD takes 14mm eyes If you'd taken a breather and had a little look around you'd have found out the recommended eye-size for your doll!

I bought my first doll off eBay, from SKYWHYS, who is also a member of DoA and sells dolls here on the Marketplace too. My experience with her was excellent and my doll is a genuine Souldoll...but I have since discovered that my eBay experience is not the norm. A lot of people get scammed, it's a breeding ground for rip-off merchants...so the best bet is always, always buy from a registered dealer or direct from the company.

If there are any problems with your doll, AoD have no responsibility for them. If your doll is damaged in transit, you won't be able to email AoD and ask for replacement parts. Since you bought your doll from a seller who isn't an authorised representative of AoD, they have no responsibility for the condition of your doll whatsoever.

I don't think you made an awful decision by looking for BJDs on eBay, it's just a newbie mistake and happily it worked out ok for me but, sadly, not so great for you. I am with the Mods 100% on the decision to ban Saidee88 dolls from DoA. If we as a community refuse to acknowledge these dolls and give this rip-off merchant our money, she'll move on to something else.

 

Altough getting dolls off eBay can be risky if you don't check out the seller's background, it can be great for getting wigs, shoes, etc. Seconding the recommendations for beachgirlnikita and, if she hasn't been mentioned yet, mimiwoo - both of their goods/service are lovely and they stock an awesome variety of quality stuff ^.^

Now, this silliness about eyes - there's a BIG range of what eye sizes SD-size can wear >.< The more realistic ones can have much smaller eyes - LatiRed boys and such can take 14mm and I've seen at least one ~60cm mold that took 12mm, whereas some of the Volks Super Dollfie girls can take 22mm and many Dollfie Dream molds can take up to 24mm my own girl takes 18mm and 20mm but I'm thinking of trying 16mm, just to see how it'll look... the doll that you're buying is AoD Juli and it says here that she takes 16mm best, so I'm not sure if 20mm will fit her, but a lot of dolls can go up or down a size in eyes depending on whether you're going for a more realistic appearance or a doe-eyed anime look, so it's possible that they'll still fit...

And like others have said, you have to be careful with sizes - there are a few different ones... a scattering of irregular tiny sizes (11cm Puki, 25cm Yo-SD, etc.) and then MSD (40-45cm dolls), SD (57-62 cm, usually around 60 though), 70cm, and then Unoa/Narae - they're MSD height but have mature proportions instead of child ones. Usually clothes for MSDs and Unoas will not fit SDs .______.

 

How would anyone know that the AOD doll was not from a legit seller if she hadn't have mentioned it???

I guess the lesson here is to always research a huge amount when it comes to spending a lot of money on a new hobby...

 

aduslle: I really hope these pros haven't discouraged your bjd hobby. Eventhough you asked for your errors pointed out to you, I'm sure that everyone has purchased something or other incorrectly in their lifetime, so don't beat yourself up about it.
Good luck, and love your dollie anyway!!

 

I'm just popping in to say that I'm one of the two people [and the paranoid one who brought him up on the forums in the first place to make sure it was legit before I bought my doll] who bought from him and the doll arrived soon and in perfect condition and nothing looks out of place or incorrect so I can safely say my doll is totally legit and he's a great seller to buy from. He even gave me free doll eye lashes. [Sorry if this is a little bit OT, I just thought I'd put in my $0.02 on the matter.]

 

Sorry, but I'm confused. How can anyone tell the difference? Perhaps it's unethical to hvae them, but how would anyone else know?

Just confused...

 

That is the thing, no one would know if she hadn't said so. Other people on this board have probably bought dolls from the seller and we don't know about it. It is simply an ethical issue. It is not really an AOD doll even though it could pass for one, because it was not made and sold by AOD it is a copy made by someone in the factory they use.

*please correct me if I totally misunderstand how the doll came into being*

 

From what was gathered by communicating with the seller, they ARE dolls made and cast by AoD, purchased at a much lower chinese price (which is about $100 lower) and then re-sold for profit on eBay. AoD is not happy about this situation, and as such, even though these are authentic dolls made by AoD they are not allowed on DoA.

Which, personally, is kind of confusing, and treading dangerously close to other issues, but I'm not the one to make the call.

 

**nod** It's an odd situation, I mean the dolls are legit, just the way they are purchased is not.

Though technically the seller has done nothing 'wrong' (in terms of legal sense) they legitimatly purchased the doll bodies. And AoD got their legit money. **shrug**

It's all a grey area if you ask me.

 

Ah! Gotcha! I don't understand why AOD can't control it then.. but OK!

 

AoD can't control what Saidee88 does because she isn't one of their authorised sellers and clearly has no interest in being authorised, otherwise she'd respect AoD's wishes and stop trading off the back of their hard work. AoD most likely don't know who she is in person either, they have probably only seen her eBay screen name, so they can't refuse to sell dolls to a person when they don't know who she is.

AoD authorised sellers are contractually obligated not to undercut AoD's international sales, and Saidee88 is undercutting them. It might seem like you're getting a good deal on a doll and that AoD is an unfair company for selling dolls within China for $100 less than the international price, but if you buy dolls from unauthorised sellers undercutting the company rather than direct from the company itself, the company eventually won't be able to afford to stay in business and the dolls you love will stop being produced. It's in everyone's interest to buy dolls from legitimate companies or their authorised dealers.

 

Forgive me if this is wrong, but what is the difference between this person selling and saidee88 selling dolls they have bought? Not to be argumentive or anything....

 

Selling off parts of your collection isn't the same as running a business buying and selling dolls. Saidee88 was running a business off the back of AoD without AoD's permission. There is nothing wrong with selling on a doll you don't want any more, or if you have too many to cope with, but if you are buying mass amounts of dolls strictly to sell on, this is a business.

I say was because apparently now her user-ident for eBay is not working. I urge everyone who bought a doll from her through eBay and still waiting for their dolls to file with paypal or their credit card company. If she has de-registered with eBay there is a strong chance you won't recieve anything for your money!

 

Congratulations on your first doll, even though the doll can't be featured on DoA.

My first doll was a BlueFairy PocketFairy Yoko that I had to unfortunately sell a few months after I bought her to pay bills. However, since then, I've learned not to buy such an expensive doll outright and through layaways over the course of two years I now have a total of five dolls; two Tinies and three Minis. I am currently working on a sixth doll; another Mini.

It's always good to do research in choosing your doll. I have bought most of my dolls here on DoA second-hand from other members. A couple of them, including my newest doll, are directly from the doll companies. My Bambicrony Ciao Bella Sisley I was lucky to snag on eBay for a reasonable price and I had enough at the time that I was able to pay for her outright.

It also helps to before buying clothes and accessories. I have made some goof-ups in clothing/shoe/wig/eye sizing, but luckily I've been able to sell those goofs to other doll owners who needed them or managed to buy the doll that fit them. In my track record, though, I've had more hits than misses.

I don't know much about SDs since I'm a Tiny and Mini collector. Hopscotch Hill and Friends2bmade doll clothes work well for slim 16" MSDs, 8" Ginny clothes fit 10" Bambicrony, and Kelly Barbie clothes fit the tiny 4" Fairyland Puki Puki.

Here are some helpful links that you might want to use in the future:

Doll sites

Luts: http://www.eluts.com/
FairyLand: http://efdoll.dreamweb.co.kr/
BlueFairy: http://www.bluefairyint.com/index.php
Bambicrony: http://bambicrony.net/


Clothing and accessories

http://stores.ebay.com/Welcome-to-Lindas-Doll-Dreams_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amewaxQ3amesstQQtZkm Linda's Doll Dreams on eBay, a personal recommendation. She makes great Hopscotch Hill clothing and now she has a BJD too that she's making customs for, all at affordable prices. I've bought more from her than any one expect Audrey's Dolls.

http://stores.ebay.com/10-Dolly-Street-Doll-Clothes_W0QQsspagenameZL2222QQtZkm idressdolls on eBay has a wide range of sizes in doll socks and panties, particularly panties. She has panties that fit up to 22". They are also affordable.

http://www.audreysdolls.com/index.cfm Audrey's Dolls is a wonderful site for wigs and shoes. They have tons of styles and colors to choose from, and most are reasonably priced.

We'll call this a learning experience for you, but I hope you have fun with your new doll.

 

I don't know if this is the right place but I had a problem with a doll and e-bay too. I bought a Dollzone girl body from the person who called himself the official representative for Dollzone in Australia. I had bought some eyes from him in the past with no problem but this time the weeks kept passing by and no news about the doll. Every time I contacted him, he kept saying that it was in backorder and that I was going to get it soon. The time kept passing and nothing. I finally tried to claim it through paypal but they had just changed their policy of no claim after 3 months to 2 months so I ended up losing $350. Neither ebay, the seller or Dollzone ever answer any of my e-mails. At least I would have like for Dollzone to contact me and clarify if this person was their official representative in my country or not. I’ll never buy another order in backorder or from Dollzone.

 

gabsci, was it Moggies Toyshop? If it was, you might want to take a look at this thread here for info.

 

Actually it was, I'll check it out right now. Thanks a lot!

 

I'm so glad I posted here. I had given up because I didn't know what else to do. Thanks so much!

 

As an avid ebay seller myself [of non-BJD related items] I can't stress enough the value of reviewing someone's feedback and cross-checking them on DoA. But even that doesn't safeguard you. Be more careful next time.

 

Saidee88 was running a business off the back of AoD without AoD's permission. There is nothing wrong with selling on a doll you don't want any more, or if you have too many to cope with, but if you are buying mass amounts of dolls strictly to sell on, this is a business.
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In Saidee88's case, she bought and paid for the dolls, therefore they are her's to sell as she chooses, just like anyone else on ebay, who are there to make money, otherwise they wouldn't be selling there. Stores all over ebay sell products from other manufactuers, it is not illegal or unethical. She doesn't only sell bjd's or their byproducts like wigs and shoes, she has a store, a business through ebay. If there is someone selling AOD or their factory that shouldn't be, that is the person they need to rat out and decry; not Saidee88. As far as I can tell, she's just out to make a living. No one has the right to take away someone's livelyhood if they aren't doing anything wrong.

If I go out and buy say... 300 Barbies from yard sales and thrift stores and flea markets, then sell them on ebay, Mattel is not going to come after me, or treat me as a thief. Why? Because, Mattel received their money(Just as AOD has), what I do with them after buying is my business.I can sell them. I would not be called a scam artist nor a copy maker or anything else. The product is real, and verifiable, still Barbie even though it came off ebay or from a yard sale or a flea market.

 

"even though these are authentic dolls made by AoD they are not allowed on DoA" - while I agree with DoA's support of AoD, it seems harsh to penalize someone who unknowingly bought an authentic product.

Wouldn't the logical solution to this be to increase the home-country price of the dolls? If they sell the dolls in China for the same price they sell them to international customers, it wouldn't be economically viable for someone to attempt to undercut them.

Anyone can sell anything, but who you buy from does make a difference as to what guarantees and warranties you're entitled to. A good example would be electronics - I can buy an mp3 player off of ebay, but if it doesn't work, I'm SOL because the manufacturer will most likely not recognize the seller I purchased it from. Yes, it can be an authentic product, but because they cannot vouch for what happened between their warehouse and the seller's storefront, they won't take responsibility for defects.

Doll people expect a lot from the manufacturers, so it's understandable that the company would want to protect their brand. Saidee88 could inadvertently damage their reputation if her dolls began to arrive damaged, or not at all. Most likely buyers would erroneously hold AoD responsible.

 

Secondary market is secondary market. Period.
DoA isn't concerned about individual sellers ruining the reputation of xxx bjd company by allowing all other re-sold legit dolls to be shown on the forum, so why single this one out? Does it really matter if the re-seller sells 1? 2? 5? 10? or more dolls? It's still resale of an authentic doll.
And if anything goes wrong, it's the seller's reputation at risk, not the manfacturer. I've never heard of a BJD coming with a warranty - generally the problems are with damage from shipping or misrepresentation and that is handled by the seller whether it is direct from the company, an authorized agant, or secondary market seller.
Unless these are proven to be stolen from the manufacturer or under-the-table production (also stolen goods), trying to dictate who consumers buy from is dangerous territory imho.

 

I agree with Cicidia and mhdolls, if these dolls were legitimately bought from the company I don't see a problem with her selling them.

There are people in the marketplace here selling dolls off cheaper then they bought because they need the money and people selling limiteds for far higher prices than they were originally.

In all these cases the original company still benefited from the sale and I don't see how Saidee's sales were any different, ultimately.

 

Anyone can sell anything, but who you buy from does make a difference as to what guarantees and warranties you're entitled to. A good example would be electronics - I can buy an mp3 player off of ebay, but if it doesn't work, I'm SOL because the manufacturer will most likely not recognize the seller I purchased it from. Yes, it can be an authentic product, but because they cannot vouch for what happened between their warehouse and the seller's storefront, they won't take responsibility for defects.
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That's true of anything you buy from ebay or any secondary market such as flea markets, bazaars etc... Buyer beware...

Why she wouldn't charge higher than the Chinese price I think is because she wants people to be able to afford the dolls anywhere in the world...and thus get her more sales.

AOD would know which dolls they themselves have sold and which not, and direct them back to the seller. Saidee88 has/had 100% and an ebay score of over 200. That's pretty good odds that anything that might go wrong would be fixed. From my personal experiences with her, she has been easy to work with. I got a really nice wig and some doll parts from her, and some eyes. There was nothing to call my attention to this might be a scam, because simply it wasn't. I had cancelled a previous sell from her before on a Wang Zi then decided later to give her a shot after talking with her by email about different options of what I wanted. Your experience may vary.

 

My guess is that DoA has banned the dolls specifically because AoD made a complaint about the seller and is actively requesting that people not buy from her. Other companies don't like the markups some of their products experience on the second hand market, but apart from distancing themselves from the actual sales, they don't ban the dolls from events/showrooms/etc.

While I do believe the problem is mostly of AoD's making thanks to the discrepancy of pricing based on geography, I can also understand why DoA would support them since they are the actual manufacturers.

Also, with regards to warranty, many companies had/have a policy that if you don't buy from an authorized dealer, they won't replace parts that break - broken fingers or knee joints, anyone?

I imagine AoD doesn't want to spend the time and money sorting out issues with dolls/sellers they haven't authorized. It's that simple.

It doesn't mean that Sadie88 is a bad person - her feedback says otherwise actually - but from a business standpoint she's a liability to their brand/sales.

 

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My guess is that DoA has banned the dolls specifically because AoD made a complaint about the seller and is actively requesting that people not buy from her. Other companies don't like the markups some of their products experience on the second hand market, but apart from distancing themselves from the actual sales, they don't ban the dolls from events/showrooms/etc.

While I do believe the problem is mostly of AoD's making thanks to the discrepancy of pricing based on geography, I can also understand why DoA would support them since they are the actual manufacturers.

Also, with regards to warranty, many companies had/have a policy that if you don't buy from an authorized dealer, they won't replace parts that break - broken fingers or knee joints, anyone?

I imagine AoD doesn't want to spend the time and money sorting out issues with dolls/sellers they haven't authorized. It's that simple.

It doesn't mean that Sadie88 is a bad person - her feedback says otherwise actually - but from a business standpoint she's a liability to their brand/sales.[/quote************************************************************

Having a business help dictate what happens on a forum is a bit conflict of interest.You can't really speak freely about a product.. IMHO But this a private group and DOA will do as they will, it is their forum.

As for parts breaking, you get what you pay for. You buy on the secondary market or used, you break it you own it, no refund. You can't expect a warranty unless its offered in the sale.

So many doll makers some out, and are accused of being copiers etc, then later turn ok, case in point Bobobie. AOD itself once was accused.

But no Saidee88 isn't a bad person. (Tina) Frankly I hope she comes back with more stuff...

 

When someone buys a doll on the marketplace here are they assumed to be dealers? No, because it's obvious they're just thinning out their collections by selling a few second hand dolls. Saidee is selling a large quantity of new in the box dolls--she's acting as an actual retailer not as a hobbyist. People did think Saidee was one of their dealers, so yes, her reputation can affect AoD where as Susie Doll Owner who decides to sell her second hand doll is obviously not a dealer and not connected with the company.

That depends on how far that extends. It obviously doesn't and won't extend to the sorts of sales made by hobbyists. In this situation, she really can hurt their sales by undercutting the official ebay dealer. Some people will buy second hand dolls, but lots of people buy brand new dolls too and those are the sales that AoD's ebay dealer will make. However, if there's a second person acting as a dealer with lots of brand new AoD dolls at a lower price then that can hurt. AoD already sells their (very nice IMO) dolls at a low price.

AoD has asked people not to buy from Saidee and DoA is simply backing them up. If faced with similar situations, I would think that other companies would respond in similar fashion to AoD--Remember, Saidee is not acting as a regular hobbyist selling a few dolls so she isn't going to be treated the same. To me, the two scenarios (unathorized dealer and actual hobbyist) are obviously pretty different.

Saidee was asked to cease and desist but she did not. She's obviously created a lot of confusion for customers (and she does seem to be aware of the situation) and that doesn't make her a great person in my eyes--at least not as she pertains to the doll hobby. She's also up and disappeared and there are now people worried that they may not get their dolls or money back. Hopefully the situation will be resolved, bu there's no way of knowing. People are blaming AoD and DoA for these dolls not being permitted, but how about saidee taking some responsibility for her actions?

It can also take a lot of time for companies to get past the damage done by a bad reputation. Even the least expensive dolls cost a lot of money, and if people think there is any chance of getting burned many won't take the risk.

I don't know what the Chinese doll market is like. It my not be feasible for them to do this or despite this recent difficulty they may do better priced as they are. It is also common for overseas customers to have to pay more for their dolls for various reasons (there's a whole thread about that in the debate subforum, actually). There's a lot that can go into pricing and we don't really have any of the details.

 

okay now i have a question.
if it's the exact same doll that AoD sells you could just say that it's from AoD and no one would know the difference unless you told them.

like if two people bought the same mold, person A bought it through AoD, and person B bought it through this person on ebay everyone's going on about and a third person C asked each owner where their doll came from both A and B could say AoD and C couldn't possible know unless B told them or let it leak and it got around.

and i know i'm going to get yelled at for this but it makes me curious.
i mean seriously....we may give people the benefit of the doubt that they're telling the truth but how do you know for sure??

 

Since the mods can't possibly ban ALL AoD dolls because of one shady person, they have to trust that the members here are more ethical than that and will take the moral high ground (follow the rules). I would imagine, however, that if it did get out that person B was lying about their doll, there would be repercussions for them.

Lying is never a good business to get into. Saidee88 is lying about her products by claiming to be an authorized dealer while undercutting the actual company. Bootleggers are lying by claiming their products are authentic, and what saidee88 is doing is not that far off from it.

I really wish people would stop defending her and throwing AoD and DoA under the bus for this. AoD has lovely dolls, and I for one would like to see them remain in business, and likewise their legitimate resellers. Saidee88's fraudulent business WILL affect the business of those people who have gone through the proper channels and are actual resellers. Take a minute to think about THOSE victims, too.

 

i wasn't defending her in any way, she's not authorized and she is lying and i hate liars. it was just a hypothetical situation, because even though we do trust that people who buy from her won't lie about that, we can never be too sure.

we can only hope that one day she does stop or is found an reprimanded.

and last time i heard she hadn't said she was an authentic dealer, just a reseller.
though that might have changed sense i last heard anything about her.

 

I apologize, that last bit wasn't specifically directed at you, Mistress of Burden, but I failed to make that clear. It was more to the general group of people who has tried to argue that saidee88 has done nothing wrong when she clearly has.

I can't recall exactly whether she ever claimed she was a reseller, or if she just continually stated that she "didn't care about" the sanctioned resellers and was going to continue to do whatever she wanted even though she knew it was wrong, but this thread is good reading for anyone interested in her (or for those defending her, if you want to see some of the "nice" replies she's given people... not so nice after all).

 

*******************************************************************\\Funnily Funnily enough you've called her a liar, but then you can't recall yet she has never claimed to be an authorized dealer...She buys on the secondary market, like a flea market etc...
Buying in bulk and reselling, like it or not is not illegal.
What has she done wrong other than buy product to sell in her store, other than AOD doesn't like it because they can't control her?

 

People have explained it quite a few times. I'm not sure how to make it anymore clear than we've already made it. Plus, whether or not something is strictly illegal isn't always the same as whether or not something is ethical or good for the hobby. In order for these companies to keep making lovely dolls for us they need to be able to make a decent profit and develop and keep good reputations. People like Saidee undermine both those things.

Saidee asked AoD if she could act as a dealer for them, but they turned her down. Rather than doing something honest like approaching a different company or creating her own goods or services to sell, she turned around and decided to sell AoD dolls anyway undercutting the official dealer and creating confusion over whether or not she is an actual dealer for the company. People need to know whether or not they are buying from an official dealer. If they buy from an official dealer the company can step in and take care of any problems--faulty products, trouble with the dealer her/himself, etc. It would really suck if something happened, they tried to get help with it thinking AoD would take care of it, and then be told it's not the company's responsibility after all.

 

cicidia, you are not doing a very good job at making friends by acting this way. I am going to take some time out of my day to highlight points from the thread I linked you to that illustrate the problem (including more than one with her claims to being a dealer). Next time, I ask that you kindly save me this effort and read the threads you are linked to on your own, thanks.

-saidee88 has claimed to be a legitimate seller, lying to buyers. She presented herself as an authorized dealer, when she wasn't.
-saidee88 negatively affects the reputation and sales of legitimate dealers.
-saidee88 has presented her dolls as authentic and authorized. Over and over.
-saidee88 has negatively impacted the reputation of AoD on this forum (many more examples of "I don't think I'll buy an AoD doll now" in the previously linked thread)
-AoD has repeatedly stated she is unauthorized and has requested her to stop selling, which she has ignored.

Additional points: Hasbro and Chinese bootleggers, buyers taken in by her feel guilty and are criticized, AoD may never have been paid for the dolls, saidee88 KNOWS she is unauthorized, rules for legitimate sellers, saidee88 fails to send out several shipments

 

I have read that thread before and I have quoted it to her.

 

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Vicemage:
I am here to read on BJD's like anyone else. You do not know me. You do not have to, nor do I want you as my friend. I have plenty without someone insinuating I am stupid. If you take time out of your day just to trash someone, meh, whatever, its your dime... Whatever effort you put in, you should get out.

2. I reread the thread, Saidee88 has never claimed to be an official seller although there was one poster who "claimed" they had a cheeky email from her, however failed to reproduce the email when asked. In court that's referred to as hearsay and doesn't hold its weight. Stop trying to badmouth someone you know nothing about. You've accused her of lying over and over when she hasn't.

3. Buyers have felt guilty mainly because they have been made to feel that way here.
Sellers have been made to feel that way here too. The dolls are banned on DOA.

4. She applied to be a legitimate seller but AOD already has an ebay store and would not let her. She already has stock, and is making money in her store her way.

5. She buys them from AOD factory or from authorized dealers in China, it really doesn't matter where she buys them if they are legitimately real AOD dolls. She can resell them, its not illegal.

6. IAFAIK She only has one shipment that hasn't been received yet. I would hazzard a guess that there are extenuating circumstances in that case. If she never sent anything she wouldn't have the over 200 feedback, (Which btw isn't that easy to accrue)

I know it really doesn't matter what I say here, but Saidee88 has sold me some things, and I never had a problem with her, and I hate the way this thread trashes her. Its just not right.

 

And when the official international ops have to shut down due to loss of sales, we can all give a big "Thank you", right? Even past AOD, the legitimate resellers are being hurt and that's the problem I have with this seller.

~Ari

 

All I can say to this is that I, like many here, have no interest in having as a friend or acquaintance someone who supports bootlegging and harms the legitimate companies that make our wonderful resin dolls. If that is the kind of person you are, then I hope to see very little of you around Den of Angels.

I personally will continue to support only LEGITIMATE sellers and LEGITIMATE dolls, not someone who undercuts the company through shady means. It does indeed matter where she buys the dolls, as if she is buying them from the factory without giving any money to AoD themselves, then she is stealing from AoD.

When the LEGITIMATE resellers suffer and have to stop sales, I'll be sure to point them to you so you can make them feel better with your fanatical defense of someone you don't know either. This thread and the other trash her for a reason--she is acting without morals, ethics, or respect for anyone--the company, the legitimate resellers, or the buyers. She has made her own bad situation, and she has made it worse. And you are not helping matters at all.

 

People can have a difference of opinion and still be friends, you know.

I could be wrong, but Saidee88 was selling actual AOD dolls and not bootlegs (which is a completely different issue), even if she wasn't officially recognised as a dealer. As I believe the mods have stated, they realise this is not a black and white issue so to draw battle lines over it is ridiculous.