Yup, hi, it's me - again. I have questions which I can't find the answers to - again. :'D So, I seriously need to get my greedy little dollmaking hands on some gesso ASAP, but I am a bit unsure of which color to get it in. I have sculpted my head in white DAS clay, so if I get white gesso... would that be inconvenient, once I start sanding and so on? I mean, if both are white I can't really see the difference and so on? I have also read somewhere that white makes it difficult to see all the dents and whatever on the sculpt - what are your experiences with that? I have found grey gesso which I would love to buy, but the webshop keeping it is so damn expensive and I can't just get away with ordering only one bottle of gesso, since they don't take orders below a certain amount of money. Rawr! So I was thinking of maybe getting white gesso, but.. yeah. I'm going to be using a few coats of Mr Surfacer 1200 for the finish, I should add. (If I got grey gesso, would having grey Mr Surfacer be a bad idea?) Yup, a LOT of questions, which I hope somebody can answer for me! Thank you!
Don't worry about the questions. After all, sharing knowledge is what this forum is about and personally I think it shows motivation when you're actively looking for information on how to do things. So ask. A lot! I used both white and grey Mr. Surfacer on my paperclay sculpts and prefer grey. Small dents and mistakes show up better in that color. Another plus is that if you use Mr.Surfacer for every coat, the 1200 has a slightly darker shade than the 1000 or 500, so you can see what you used where. But, unless you use your coated sculpt as final version with no intention to cast it, it doesn't really matter what color you use as the final coat. Good luck.
I would prefer to use grey myself, because it's easier to see imperfections on a grey surface than on a white surface. Could you buy the white gesso, which is cheaper, and pigment it with something to make it grey?
Silk: Haha, well that's good! I'll probably keep coming back with more questions then. :P Yeah, I too have read somewhere that grey is the prefered color. Hmm. I guess I could import two kinds of Mr Surfacer, but it would be a lot more expensive than I had hoped. but we'll see, I have to find a european distributor first! But thanks for letting me know! twigling: Yes, exactly, I have read somewhere that grey is the better color. I don't know, there is grey gesso available already.. hmm. And I don't think I have anything to pigment it with, sadly. I'll have to think this over for a while. But now at least I know which color to go after. Thanks, guys!
White or grey gesso primer? If you already have white acrylic gesso, then the addition of Black Acrylic paint will turn it gray, depending on how much black you add to the white gesso. Black Acrylic paint in tubes is usually one of the least expensive pigments available. Google Translate English to Swedish: Om du redan har vit akryl gesso, då tillägg av svart akrylfärg blir det grått, beroende på hur mycket svart du lägger till den vita gesso. Svart akrylfärg i rör är vanligtvis ett av de minst kostsamma pigment tillgängliga.
*laughs* Hahaha, oh my, Google Translate, you amuse me so. XD kwmelvin: Yeah, I know, thanks. ^^ I've been thinking of doing that. Does anyone know how well using Mr Surfacer 1000 brush-on primer and then finishing off with Mr Surfacer 1000 Spray Primer would work...? A swedish girl just offered to sell me her unopened cans, but I'm a little worried the 1000 might be too thin/fine to use for anything else than a finishing coat?
I use the 1000 (or sometimes 1200) both as a final coat and as an 'in between' coat. Works fine and you sand your piece until it is really smooth. The brush-on stuff, however, I now only use as a first coat and then afterwards to fill small imperfections. After the first layer I continue spraying primer, because you get brush strokes you'll have to sand e-ve-ry time you apply it. Spraying gives a smoother result.
Yeah, okay. Thanks a lot for your answer! But if brush-on primers are hard to work with.. should I stay away from the gesso completely?
Brushing and spraying are not the only ways to apply paint. You can also dip objects into paint to cover them. Usually, with dipping, there are no brush strokes. Also, there is no over-spray as when using a spray-gun. However, with dipping, you may get drips from excess paint. These drips can be controlled by how the object is hung when finished dipping. Also, you need to have a volume of paint large enough to completely submerge the object. I once worked in a shop where all the manufactured parts were dipped in paint to finish them. They all had a very smooth finish. The viscosity of the paint you dip the object into will also determine the final finish. The type of paint is also important: flat, matte, semi-gloss, or gloss. I never see any reference to anyone dipping doll parts, so it is not a very common practice.
kwmelvin: Yeah, okay, thanks for the tip. ^^ It sounds a bit too complicated for me though, I'd like to either use a soft brush or a spray can primer. But, now, if I don't wish to use the dipping method... should I stay away from the gesso and any other liquid primers not in spray cans? Does anybody else have any opinion of this?
No, they're not hard to work with as long as you know when to use it and when not. The first few layers you'll have to sand anyway, so it's okay to brush it on and like I said the gesso is really good to fill up irregularities (unlike the spray, you can concentrate on a single spot). Brush strokes won't be a problem if you use the bottle for the first few layers and the can for the last few. When finished, you'll have a nice, smooth master.