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Suedeing, the glory! (nudity)

Feb 5, 2006

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    1. Thanks for posting this thread.

      thanks especially to Panty_girl for posting photos of El disassembled. I have a lovely El from Luts and his knee joints pop to a seated position every single time I straighten them out. At first I thought that his stringing might be too tight. Now I wonder if perhaps sueding would fix the problem. still I'd like to check the strings.

      People keep mentioning wiring. Could someone direct me to a thread on that? I have no idea what it is.
       
      #61 lyrestonehart, Apr 4, 2008
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    2. Thanks for the pointers. I'm still having difficulty standing him. He's a Luts El model. I think one of the chief problems is that the 1mm thick suede is STILL too thick for his knee joints and it causes his stringing to be too tight. Not sure what to do about that.

      Or it could be that the suede rumpled when I put him back together because it was such a tight squeeze. I'll have to see.
       
      #62 lyrestonehart, Jan 25, 2009
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    3. My Dollstown 13A-2 body is really bad, very "kicky" her knees are her absolute worst "feature" if you will. She DEFINATELY needs some kind of sueding there, she could also use it in her shoulder joints. Other than that she's perfect.

      What synthetic alternatives are there? I'm a little leary of receiving a piece of animal skin and taking scissors to it. :horror: If it were just a square piece of material/skin I might be able to feel differently, but I just looked on ebay for the pliver and it's actual pieces of what they took from the animal. :eek:
      I don't like the sound of Velvet, I just don't think it will work as good as something less 'fuzzy.' Suede has a bit more of a 'stop' to it, but I'd still like to know what synthetic material is a good suede alternative please.

      Thank you.
      :kitty2
       
      #63 DanceCat, Mar 29, 2009
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    4. try to look at this

      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80054

      and http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92212
       
      #64 anavel, Mar 29, 2009
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    5. I'm sending my Dark Elf Soo head off for a faceup, and I figure since I have to take her apart to send her hands and feet with her, that now would be an excellent time to give her body a thorough cleaning and possibly some sueding to help her pose better. I have some pliver I got at a meetup aaages ago, but I've never had the courage to take her apart to try it before.

      Well, I understand the basic concept of sueding now, but the Luts dolls have the extra sockets in their shoulder and hip joints. I'm assuming they would need sueded inside, as well? Nothing was really said about that, so I thought I'd ask. :)
       
      #65 Stormlight, May 20, 2009
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    6. wow been so long since I have looked at this thread, I have su4eded and resueded many dolls over the time since I first put this up. I still use real suede, I just find it has superior grip to anything else I have found, but I know people have many reasons for not wanting to use real suede, including the difficulty of finding it in the correct colour and thickness.

      Stormlight brought up an interesting point, CP dolls and similar double socket dolls, and the answer is yes, treat the double socket as if it is two joints, and sued inside each socket. I do this with my boys and I have them doing handstands, guitar "power stances" crouching as if about to jump...the only thing they never mastered was standing on one foot, and I think that is more to do with me than the doll :)

      I really do find that on CP dolls this makes a huge difference particularly to the hips. I have also heard several questions in there about knee joint issues. On older type knees (type one and tow) use thin material, and make sure it is TOTALLY dry before you try to refit the joint, or plain and simply the suede will wrinkle and actually make posing worse, not better. On the newer type three and Feeple body joints you will need to take even more care, and use the thinnest possible fabric as these are VERY close fitting joints, but I still suede them as if they are standard double sockets, it can sometimes make them a little more fiddly to pose, but they hold poses like champions.
       
      #66 effigy, Jun 12, 2009
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    7. Thanks so much for the information! What's the best sort of glue to use? I have suede at home, I'll give this a shot for my noodle-boy. I have tacky glue at home and I also have a hot glue gun. Which works better? Thanks! :)
       
      #67 MeliCat, Jul 14, 2009
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    8. I advise Elmers or a white craft glue, just make sure it is one that is water soluble. I know that hot glue guns are also useable, or warm glue, but as some people state you can use these to suede with or without the actual suede. I just perfer the sort of grip and snug closure that real suede gives.
       
      #68 effigy, Jul 14, 2009
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    9. I am really glad to hear the positive responses on this thread, but as you may have seen some people do not get the instantaneous results others get, so if you are having trouble here are a few tips to remember

      1. make sure tht glue is totally dry before letting the joint go back into place
      2. if it does not work for you check your stringing, tight string is better on swuede dolls, loose string does not allow as much "grip"
      3. make sure the suede is inside the socket, not on the ball
      4. the more the suede covers the more ti will grip, and it does eventually wer out. Suede can be scuffed up with a dry or slightly damp toothbrush to renew its grip, but over time you may need to resuede. My hound has only been done twice since I first got him, and he was my first doll back in 05. Most of my dolls have only been done once ever and it has lasted
       
      #69 effigy, Jul 17, 2009
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    10. I'm a bjd newb; Hiro (B&G Rin) arrived last Thursday with torso pop and his arms would either fly straight up overhead or snap into a cross armed position. Thank you so much for this tutorial. At this very moment, Hiro is waving to me!
       
      #70 tenukihandcrafts, Nov 15, 2009
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    11. Is there a down side to suedeing?
       
      #71 Alstcryx, Jan 22, 2010
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    12. I'd very much like to give Moleskin sueding a shot but I have a question about the material. Does the adhesive stick well enough to the resin? It seems to me that it would have a tendency to slide around and not stay in place since the adhesive isn't particular strong. I was also wondering if it leaves much residue or a stain behind?

      I used to use moleskin on the tips of my point shoes when I was still dancing. It helped to keep the shoes from sliding around on the wood floors too much.. lol random...
       
      #72 BarraArisa, Mar 6, 2010
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    13. The adhesives stick very well, over time they will come loose a little, or if they get wet, but dolls should not get TOO wet anyway, since it makes the string deteriorate and perish.

      As for downsides, the only downsides I have experienced come from lack of experience, and personal preference. Things like using a dyed suede, the dye can get on your doll, use a suede as close in colour to the doll as possible. Use as thin a suede as possible. The only other downsides are about preferences, some people like their dolls to move more easily. I have a Ringdoll boy that once sueded is ROCK solid, meaning I can pick him up and toss him all over and his limbs do not move untill I move them. For some people who are used to dolls being floppier and falling into poses, not needing so much posing, well that can be a downside, it can make them a bit less cuddly seeming...but they will stand and pose well
       
      #73 effigy, Mar 31, 2010
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    14. i was wondering if anyone has tried sueding with felt? I have no idea how to get my hands on mole skin but i think i could manage using craft felt. Has anyone ever tried this?
       
      #74 tilliefairy, Apr 9, 2010
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    15. You get moleskin in the foot care section of a drugstore or Walmart. It is sold as Dr. Scholl's moleskin.
       
      #75 Gail in AZ, Apr 9, 2010
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    16. TillieFairy, I would not use felt, it does not have sufficient grip on the ball of the resin, and all it will achieve is a change in the size of thesocket. When you suede you need to increase the friction between the ball and the socket, hence you line the socket with something to create grip, like suede or hot glue
       
      #76 effigy, Apr 11, 2010
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    17. Silly question-- I'm in the middle of blushing a BBB Sprite, just wondering if it poses any threat to either process to throw in some sueding as well. I've got her all destrung already. Thank you :aheartbea
       
      #77 I_DekuPhantomme, May 12, 2010
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    18. would using a piece of thin cotton weave work as well? i think i figured out that everyone uses suede because its thin and fuzzy[?] so it grips.

      so ^^; would a thin cotton weave work? [i know silk/satin is way too slippery]
       
      #78 kickflare, Jun 26, 2010
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    19. I don't think cotton would help, I don't think most fabrics would have the grip required for the sueding to work.

      I've hot-glue sueded my DIM Love boy body, and the results are amazing. He can hold his arms up for the very first time!

      I'm wondering though, if anyone has made a comparison between the results of sueding with hot glue, and with actual suede or pliver?
       
      #79 OutBriefCandle, Jun 28, 2010
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    20. actually I have not done a comparison thread but I have used all three. For traditional suedeing I find that actual suede holds p better over time than Pliver, but has higher risks of staining if you use one that has been dyed, and is harder to find ultra thin. it also has the downside of coming from an animal which is an issue for some.

      Traditional compared to hot glue suedeing is one of those situations where it has good and bad points. I now do hot glue suedeing for the most part out of convenience, it is quicker and easier to do and is more water resistent, however traditional suedeing offers better longterm effects, needs doing less often and is easier to remove.
       
      #80 effigy, Jul 8, 2010
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    21. I was suedeing with moleskin, and it was working. But I have a question is there a way should I suede the neck with moleskin or use glue around the neck to help the head from moving too much?? :sweat
       
      #81 Penguin-chan, Jul 27, 2010
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    22. I have been told over and over to use a glue gun. As it is the best? I am still needing to do mine
       
      #82 G-MA, Mar 21, 2012
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    23. So glad I found this thread, thank you for the pictures, they were most helpful! :)
       
      #83 Eldervine, May 8, 2014
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    24. so happy i found this!!!
       
      #84 Serirka, Feb 13, 2015
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    25. thank you for sharing this!
       
      #85 curlycoat2, Feb 14, 2015
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