Soom Idealian 75cm Discussion Part 10

@exiel You could check out the Studio Naiko 75cm v2 body. It's on the thin side.
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:0 thank you! That seems a good option for me to look into

 

i have a Garrion head on a Loongsoul 73cm body if you wanted to go a little shorter! I think it looks decent.

Acyra dressed and wigged by Indifferent Red, on Flickr

 

Thank you! Also wow that dye colour looks incredible that's so cool :0

 

Thanks you!! I was in love with the OG red Garrion, so I was so excited to dye this one!!

 

Thanks @Setsura to encourraged me for dealing with ID75 body and I bought a new stand for my bronze Zak Zacharius

 

I'm getting my first soom id75 boy, Hyun in grey, I bought him secondhand. I need to buy clothes, eyes, shoes, etc.

 

If I had the money, I would buy Wenzel right now.

 

I bought Wenzel with jointed hands in peony white on a 4 month layaway, I'm so excited, he's a beautiful boy.

I have a question, do you have to string the jointed hands or do they come strung and ready to use? I've never bought jointed hands for any of my bjds before.

 

Soom now sends them already strung. Previoulsly they were unassembled.

 

Okay, thank you for information, I saw a picture of someone stringing the hands so I wasn't sure if I would have a string them but I'm glad that's not the case anymore haha

 

I'm super confused, there's an application button for Hwa-in? Does that mean we can enter? It keeps logging me out whenever I press on the button

 

I wonder what’s soom choice behind all the limited events? I wish they will do a soom choice body again and give us more freedom

 

Well, Hyun sales this time was quite a disaster, wasn’t it?

 

They can have a disaster?

Sorry, I'm new to collecting. Trying to order any of their dolls is so competitive that I gave up. A month after I ordered a large doll, Wenzel was the first doll that did not sell out the minute it came out. I'm surprised that I like his sculpt, but the money wasn't there for it, anymore.

 

Yes, this time is like a whole new level lol. The website crashed for hours. Even Soom couldn’t add Hyun stock until like 11.40 KST. And even if you manage to place an order for Hyun and paid, most of the people were getting their money refunded and order cancelled left and right. Their Weibo and X are on fire. They said they will give an update sometime next week but well, I don’t think it will be a good news for the buyers.

 

Wow! So glad I got my Hyun several years ago!

 

Shocked they’re bringing Benito, Mason, and Liam back for their New Year’s event. I hope everyone that missed them the first time can finally pick them up.

 

I drop here quoting an old post of Setsura, because I've began with face up of my V-Hyperon from last year and the head has quite different image from my Scar-Hyperon of 2016; not only the sculpt,less fuller, thin and longer looking nose...to be honest, I have not expected like this.

 

If anyone can point me in the right direction I'd love to know the measurements for id75, mostly so I can get my incoming slim 75 bodies good sized clothes

 

@Haven_Of_Dolls336 These are their measurements that Soom has listed.
Measurements - IDEALIAN

 

I wouldn't trust these measurements. Soom changed them a while ago and they're totally off, I have no idea why they did it. The shoulders are absolutely not 17, and the neck is not 12.5, among many other places it got changed. They changed it to measure the shoulders from mid width instead of full width for some reason (which basically no one uses), if you buy stuff using those measurements you're not going to get anything that fits.

You would do best to go off the original measurements they had, which can be seen in the last image of this link.

 

From my notes. I’m pretty sure I measured these. From waist down are measurements I sent to JeansbyJenna:
Height 75

Weight (g) 2950
Wig size (inch) 9-10
Eye size (mm) 14
Head girth 24
Neck girth 13
Shoulder width 19
Shoulder girth 14.5cm
Chest girth 36
Waist girth 26
Hip girth 32.5
Thigh girth 21.5
Arm length 25
Leg length 51
Ankle girth 10
Foot length 9.5
Waist 26cm
Waistband of pants 28cm
Hips 32.5cm
Waistband to crotch 9cm
Girth of thigh 19.8cm
Girth of calf 16cm
Top of leg to foot bottom 37.5cm
Top of leg to bottom of knee 16.5cm

 

Thank you both for your help I have a few bodies I am looking for clothes for and I want to make sure that size works

 

I also want to point out that depending on the body, some slim 75s are still wider in the shoulders than id75, which is on the smaller end overall for 75cm dolls. So if you're having something custom made, definitely go with the body you ordered's shoulder measurements!

 

Yeah I noticed that, luckily the clothes I already ordered aren't for the new DZ 75, but a slimmer body with less huge shoulders. I'm gonna do a big think about the new DZ body and an off topic body in terms of clothes to make sure I get it right

 

I don't think the new DZ75 slim is that much bigger than ID75, having seen them side by side, but one of the few places they're larger that will make a difference how clothes fit is height and shoulder width T_T It sure is an adventure with almost every new "75cm" doll being more than 75cm tall and being way bigger than ID75.

 

No it's by a centimeter which may not be bad, and depending on the vibe the waist won't be too bad but unfortunately for me I want well fitting stuff so a 4 cm difference is pretty extreme Plus the hips being 2cm off is concerning if I want things to fit. I will have to alter my Lupin's clothes and maybe do custom for my impldoll boy.

 

One of my stupid concerns with trying to find a first outfit for my DZ75 is the hip girth and would he split his pants. I have a stupid worry about it being too tight in the crotch, as if he was a real person. Hahaha.

 

Well I actually think the hip girth is good and depending on if you got the magnetic pee pee, you can just do no pee pee so the pants fit for sure.

 

Oh, yeah.... I forgot that people do that. I need to keep that in mind. I think I'll try to look at some id75 outfits for him soon.

 

Hi all, I just got an ID75 body and I’m wondering about other companies’ hands that will fit my character better. Ideally I’d like him to have long nails but I don’t like jointed hands (pretty sure Soom’s only long nail hands are jointed).

Does anyone know if Dollmore’s Glamor Dollpire hands would fit an Idealian? Glamors are 71cm I think but their hands look pretty big. SartoriaJ makes long nail male hands too, but it’s hard to tell how big they are. I’m also looking at Iplehouse EID hands.

I’d appreciate any hand comparison pics between Idealian and similar sizes, even if you don’t know if they fit!

 

Idealian does have non jointed long nail hands, but only with very old releases, it would be difficult to find someone to sell only a pair to you.

SJ is probably a good bet, otherwise I believe Dollzone has long nailed hands for 75s as well, but I think the wrist may be slightly smaller.

 

Haha yeah, I’m definitely not interested in hunting down some ancient Soom parts. And thanks, I didn’t know Dollzone had long nail hands! The fingers are so skinny though. I’ve been out of the loop lately, are the Dollzone 75s in the wild yet? I’ve never seen owner photos of one. I’d love to see it next to an ID75 to get an idea of how compatible the hands are aesthetically!

I did manage to find some very old posts about the Dollpire hands, but not many pics. At the time I think Idealian wasn’t out yet, because people were trying them on Super Gems but said the hands were “huge”. So I think I’m gonna get them just to try. And maybe the Dollzone ones too haha

 

The DZ75 is probably one of the leading 75 bodies in China atm, you can find a sleuth of pics on CN social media because it's crazy popular. He has more a dehydrated muscle look with slimmer arms and legs than the 'thicker' look of the ID75, very dorito, so I believe the wrists may fall ever so slightly small in size.

 

Yea, that's exactly why I'm worried the aesthetic of the hands won't work for an Idealian... even if the wrist joint did fit, those spindly fingers might look really weird on the beefy Idealian!
Unfortunately I've never figured out Chinese social media. I could only find a handful of DZ75 owner photos on Instagram, and if the body has been shipping for a while then I have to assume there are more owners but Instagram sabotaged the search functionality. u_u Comparisons were so much easier to find when everybody just used forums, lol!

 

You can probably sand some of the veininess off of those long nailed DZ hands! It's something I considered. I honestly can't remember if I ordered a pair or not. If I did, I can check whenever they arrive, lol!

 

@overlordu - my Zak Jotunheim has long fixed hands, there might be other colour releases around to be had where the owner preferred the jointed over the fixed. the other Soom pair I have shaped like this are for the smaller Benmore supergem, so check the size of you see them around.

I think i have some 70 class Dollpire hands around, but my stuff is all packed up, still trying to get sorted out. if i can find them I'll take a pic on a ID75 and @ you

here's the pretty hands, they are some of my faves for fixed fantasy hands:

 

I have a few pictures of my DZ75 next to my ID75. As this was just a general comparison, I didn't get detailed shots of hands and feet, and stuff, but you can kind of see them next to each other in the pictures toward the bottom of the gallery.
Soom Garion ID75 head and Dollzone Lucius 75cm

 

Oh, by spindly I meant how skinny the fingers are, not the veins

Thank you, I forgot about these hands! I could work with that, so I'll keep an eye out. Also your boy is so beautiful!
And yes, if you happen to find the Dollpire hands I'd love to see them on an ID75!

Ooooo this is super helpful!! Thank you! Honestly they don't look out of proportion or anything... hohoho! It looks like the DZ fingers are not thinner, just longer. Yay!

 

@overlordu - finally found the Dollpire hands! not sure how they got in with the wigs LOL. Was able to dig out my Dollzone B75-001 (first edition 75 class) to show his hands, he's tan so please forgive the tone difference.

Can't get to any SJ or Iple HID right now, but I feel like both of those were larger squarer hands. so if you're looking for slender I'm fairly certain they won't be it. If there's some other hands you're interested in seeing, I might have more... I sort of tend to collect them somehow LOL I got a hand problem. (I do have DZ's B70-004 long nail fixed monster hands, they have a 7cm wrist opening.)

both the Dollpire and the Dollzone hands fit in his wrists really well. Dollpire hands have the same type of built in hooks as Soom, so the elastic could stay the same length. DZ's needs an S hook.

Here is my Lim Hydrangea NS from the 2021 order period.

Spoiler: Just the hands together

thanks for making me get out Lim, he's so beautiful.
Side quest: I need to fix his sealant before the crackling creeps even more, if anyone has more tips & tricks to offer than what I'm already seeing in the maintenance channel please feel free to DM or link me the company faceup crackled, which is a complete shame as it is gorgeous and I'm not really wanting to wipe it.

 

@Grimalkin Ohhhh these pictures are perfect!! Thank you so much! Omg I am 100% gonna get those Dollpire hands, they look exactly how I was hoping for

Also your Lim is gorgeous! I’m sorry that his faceup is cracking… I used to think there was no way to fix that but I recently saw a post on instagram about a method to reduce it. They weren’t very descriptive and the account is private, but they carefully dabbed some kind of “hobby thinner” on the cracks, let it dry, dabbed more etc until I guess the sealant melds back together or something? I didn’t research it since I don’t have any cracked faceups but maybe that’s a starting point for you to find out about it. Thinner is of course capable of dissolving sealant so I would not try it without researching first!

 

After some confusion and annoyance I'm bringing home a Storm from this last order period. Only my second Idealian.

 

Question, but has anyone had any luck with getting their Sooms to stand well with wiring?

If so, what gauge of wire have you used, and how exactly did you wire them to get them to do standing poses better?

With a quick restring, I've finally managed to get my Sullivan to at least sit without a heavy slump, but standing has been an issue... I've also noticed his ankles are quite loose and unstable, so I was thinking sueding them could maybe be helpful?

 

@OmitIdentity I believe @Setsura has wired most if not all of her Idealian boys. Here's a post where she mentions it a bit.
/threads/soom-idealian-75cm-discussion-part-10.842434/page-9#post-13121270

 

Hmm I'm looking over the page, I see a lot of good info from Setsura, but not too much on wiring or posing Sooms better - If anything, it sounds like Setsura doesn't find them to be an issue? Unfortunately for me in North America for now, I don't have access to professional wiring/sueding services...

 

Here's her post where she mentions it briefly.

 

Thanks so much! I was also wondering how you would stick the wire through - like any idea if it's a long U through the upper torso and legs or just a U through the legs? If there's any previous mentions of that, would be helpful!

 

I haven’t yet done it to an idealian, but I have a slight variation on wiring, where I run wire from the wrist on one side to the ankle on the other, and the crossover helps a little with posing torsos. The only downside is you have to use narrower wire because the arm channels are smaller, but it worked great in my dollstown bodies, and a couple of my weird hybrid bodies.

 

@Grimalkin - we have the same Lim, except that I ordered mine in tawny resin! Mine also has very terrible faceup crackling, it began within a couple months of receiving him and is now almost entirely flaked away. I'd never had this happen with a company faceup before. It's my hope to eventually get him a new faceup, but I'm also hoping to commission tattoo work for him and as ever, my wants and fantasies drive up prices, alas~

 

@Nissa - this series really were such beautiful Lims. I wonder if the faceup artist had a materials issue or the wrong weather for the whole batch. I'm the second owner and knew he had the issues - no worries there - I was just hoping I could fix him up and try to preserve his faceup. i've had him wrapped in soft tissue and a face cover with a desiccant pack near his head to try to slow it up. I so know how you feel about the commission work, so many dreams! it is so worth it though when it looks how you wanted

@overlordu - a little late reply, I was trying to find some details on the hobby thinner method you mentioned out in the wild, but not having a lot of success - need to rework my search criteria maybe I had also seen some mention of light sanding then melding with more MSC, but the flakes are pretty large, i'd worry the moisture will creep under even more. (edit - many report this method cracks again, especially with the new MSC formulas) I'm glad the hands might work for you too my Lim may well just appropriate those Dollpires for good.

@OmitIdentity - i've used a 14 gauge aluminum wire in some other equally floppy dolls, the arms seem most successful for the ones what liked to punch themselves in the face. but wire in the legs and tight pants can do some good, but i've still never been able to make myself trust an ID75 standing without a stand.

@Chameleon - i'm very interested in trying the crossbody wiring pattern now, thanks for mentioning it!

 

Ooooh that is an interesting concept....Can I ask what gauge you've used for a dollstown body? I have never though about cross-wiring a doll body, but that is kinda like... why didn't I think of this earlier!? It's brilliant (at least in theory in my mind, right now!)

Noted, this was super helpful too, thank you! (And yes, I'm thinking about keeping my boy in tighter pants for that reason LOL) I'll have to go into the hobby store some time soon and look for a few different gauge sizes - Just wondering but how do you cap the ends of the wires? Or do you just bend them in so they don't scratch at the resin on the inside?

 

i've sanded the thicker gauges, curled over the thinner ones where the channels allow, and used painter's tape on the ends. Have also been thinking about testing out the plasti-dip material in white to hopefully not transfer any colour.

I also bought some solid wire that was coated in white insulation material and that was pretty efficient too, but harder to get the right size/flexibility (or lack thereof) without going to the hardware store in person with the doll. needs to be solid wire and not stranded so can be less choices available.

if you haven't considered it, the hot glue sueding isn't difficult, just messy. I have some of the thin chamois to actually glue in, but just haven't taken the time yet to play around with it. some dolls I've gotten came that way and sometimes the edge of the suede shows. a couple had some moleskin strategically placed, especially in hip joints too. I'm always impressed when i string a doll up or right out of the box it just stands on its own after so many of the big boys being "recliners"

but there's something to be said about getting a natural slump or side curve/lean to a torso pose due to a looser string and the engineering of the joints being less ideal for standing.

 

These are great tips, and I am likely going to bring my doll out to the hobby/crafts and hardware store when I finally hit these up so I get the right gauges!

Pardon my English (French?), but what do you mean by "thin chamois"? Originally I was thinking of at least sueding my Soom's ankles as they're super duper loose and flop from one side to the next, but not sure if sueding the thigh-to-hip socket would help - I've had thick hot glue sueding actually prevent dolls from even sitting after it I'll have to probably go thin and build up to avoid this problem...

I do totally agree with you on the whole loosely strung big boys being FANTASTIC bed and leaning posers though, I will say my Soom does pose excellent when sitting or laying down, which is great for some staged indoor shoots and possibly some outdoor ones (though I'd love to be able to do some adventure poses with him as well some day!

 

No idea what gauge it was, my apologies!! I bought it at Michael’s, as florist wire, so not huge!!

 

chamois in this context is a natural leather, available very thin pile (thickness). what I've got is 1mm at the thinnest area, maybe 2.5mm at the thicker end. it's smooth/tanned leather on topside and fuzzy suede on the back. I recommend undyed or grey/white to prevent transfer to the resin. I got some scrap bundles from a leather supplier on ebay a few years ago, but there are probably some online sources like hobby or leather supply shops, maybe fabric stores too.
there is also a vegan version of it, but I've not sourced it.

there's a lot of methods discussed in the workshop/maintenance section here on DOA, some folks use little swatches and others completely line the joints. I don't think any of my Soom's have hot glue in the hip either. it's a really smooth joint interior so I had been more inclined to wire it.

 

For those who are wondering about wiring, I have previously written a tutorial, but you'll have to mind the Korean. I don't have any intentions to rewrite it in other languages because I find hitting the translate button to rather be sufficient enough.

You can find the link to it on my twitter account here: https://x.com/parkseulhwa/status/1515052448280289285?t=UazzFiWoQA2t1XxqH94cPA&s=19

I am going to note that the majority of 'problems' with ID75s can be fixed with a little sueding/hot glue and a slightly tighter restring. I suggest that you handle and play with your dolls a lot and figure out the core balance points. Balance and understanding his handling will take you most of the way after a good restring - the rest is only to further make it easier.

No wire was involved in the below pose (yes, he can hold it for an extended period of time):

 

Okay, I'll keep florist wire in mind, thank you, Chameleon!!

Ohh this is interesting! I remember vaguely seeing workshop posts about this when I was actively lurking here years ago (before i went on hiatus), I should probably revisit some of those threads, they were full of good stuff (hopefully the photos are still up for some of the tutorials too..!)

If you do happen to come across a good supplier for sueding online, please do share a link here!

Wow, this is incredible, thank you, Setsura!

If you've shared this before on here, sorry to have missed it! I just saved a copy on my GDrive and will also do more experimenting with my Soom as well...!

 

Only chiming in to second @Setsura - I've found the ID75 body to pose quite well, the elastic string just needs to be adequately tight yet maintain its elasticity (vs. being at maximum stretch with no elasticity left - this can also be a problem with any larger doll due to their weight/balance points).

I also keep my dolls on doll stands vs. sitting, which seems to extend the elasticity life of their string. When I suede dolls, I use genuine thin suede and white archivist (alkaline free) glue, because it can be removed easily at a later time. Sometimes hot glue is more challenging to remove and can prove frustrating.

 

I've definitely had frustrating situations where I can't remove hot glue sueding, I definitely would like to try genuine suede - is there any brand or supplier you would recommend using based in the US?

Also how often would you recommend changing out the elastic? I think one problem is I do need to change out his string as it's over a few years old and seems to run its course with elasticity.