So I thought I could print out my bjd head in fine detail resin (which is already very smooth and Detailed) to the Casting company. They now tell me I have to add primer, so I'm panicking: of course I can just follow their advice, spray my head with primer and it's done. What do I have to pay attention to that my casted head will look good? What else will I have to do? Inside the head is a tiny logo. Won't the primer fill it too much? I'm afraid I might lose details. I would be happy for some advice of experienced people. Thanks so much
I've been sculpting and casting for a few years now, and here's what I've found: 1. every tiny detail/imperfection will show on the final cast, so you want to make sure that as you prime him you sand any printing lines or imperfections--get him as smooth as possible! This means that you need to spray, sand, and spray until he is smooth. 2. As long as you spray in thin coats, the logo should be fine. Make sure that you don't put the coats of primer on too heavy, just a light coat then let it cure- repeat, just until you can't see the resin underneath. If you end up having to spray more, you can always cover the logo with some sticky tack once it has a good coat of primer. 3. As long as you use a good primer and spray in light coats, you shouldn't lose a lot of detail. I would go with Mr Surfacer 1000, or 2000 if you have especially tiny details (2000 has a finer spray). Also, be careful when sanding so that you don't get scratch marks (I would use a sanding sponge with a super fine grit). Edit: I would end with a final coat of primer to make sure all sanding marks are gone, and this gives it a nice finish as well! I would particularly make sure that there is no resin showing underneath as 3D-printed resin can inhibit the cure of the mold. The casting company could have more specifications, but this is what I have found at least when casting my heads. Hope this helps!
Ray Vel gives excellent advice. The only thing I would add is to make sure you talk to the caster about what primer to use before you spray anything on to your print. Some materials doesn't like each other, so if the caster have a prefered brand of primer you kind of have to work with that, even if it's expensive or hard to get or not your prefered product to work with. If you have a different preference you could probably send your caster a sample of that and they may be willing to test it for you to see if it works (I have done that in the past), but talk to them first before you do anything. Personally I would not leave the last layer pf primer unsanded unless the caster specifically asks you to. Unless you have a very good spray set up and a fair bit of skill, it's very likely that the spray goes on a little bit uneven and that will show (typically a bit of texture difference behind ears and in other "shaded" areas). Sanding last gives much better control over the surface. The last steps of sanding is done wet with a very high grit so as long as you haven't taken any short cuts in finishing before that, there is little to no risk for visible sanding marks or scratches.
Thank you so much! I'm doing this for the first time and it will be a big production so I'm so willing to deliver the best I can! So I guess that Mr. Surfacer has a different color thab the original resin? (Mine is a white resin Print). I think the 3D print is already very smooth but while giving him a faceup I suddenly realized very tiny imperfections that only became visible after adding MSC to the surface and brushing pastels on it. I wonder if I am able to identity everything and also if I spray the primer on areas like eyes and ears or the lip gap... Will I be able to smoothen such areas out as required? In my imagination it seems quite difficult. Also the technical details inside... Is it possible to reach all areas with fine sanding ponges? Sorry to ask but can you recommend a sponge? I already have very fine sanding paper and several tools at home because I am also doing a lot of mods on dolls. Can the curing time of mr. Surfacer be compared to msc? How did you feel when casting your first doll? Did it work out at first try? I really hope I can make a good head preparation because there's really a lot depending on it The company actually has stated which primers don't work, luckily. If the resin version is made: will I also have to work on the sculpt to sand details or is it a point of no return where nothing will be done Anymore? Thank you so much I truly appreciate your answer, this is so helpful
Glad to be of help! Yes, Mr surfacer is a grey color that shows up very nice on white. as you sand, this will help to identify the areas that need more work. The lips and ears are definitely a challenge! I usually end up taking a cotton swab with acetone and 'melt' the tiny imperfections in those crevices before I start priming, but this can take away detail, so that may not be the best option for your sculpt. For the mouth I usually take the edge of some normal sand paper and gently sand out that bit. You should be able to get in the inside of the head with the sanding sponge, as they are quite flexible. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01F7Y384S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1 <<these are my favorite sanding sponges. they come in a variety of different grits. Yes, the curing time of Mr Surfacer is about 30 mins to an hour. It definitely needs a warmer environment and low humidity much like MSC. Casting dolls is all trial and error I have found, especially when doing it yourself! Sending it to a caster is probably the best way for success if you want a really nice quality doll first go. But the priming process is, in my opinion at least, the easiest, if not the most tedious part. Unless the company sands the seam lines, you may have to sand those. But what your master looks like is basically what you will get! You definitely want to take the time to make the master as perfect as possible. That all being said, this is what i found to work, but isn't the end all be all. If you are printing the head yourself, I might suggest printing a spare one and doing some test runs so that you can experiment some.
Ahhhh I use exactly these sponges! That's great. I will just need to order mr. Surfacer then. There are also liquid paints instead if spray paints. But it's probably hard to create an even surface with it. So I will buy the spray paint. No no, I'm using the service of a very good 3d printing company. As I said the head us already very smoohth soy hope is that I will not have too many troubles One last question: how thick would you say is the recommended layer of the primer? I don't want my resin to maybe react to the molding silicone.... Again thank you! I hope I can make a great doll
I would say just thick enough where everything is fully covered and smooth. The details will begin to fade if you put too many coats. I would make sure you rotate him with each coat to make sure all of the crevices are covered. I wish you all the best with your dolly!
Sooo! I have done it and tomorrow I want to send the head to the casting company. He's super smooth, I sprayed many layers because the mesh of the 3D print was so massive. I was able to remove it completely for the face, but inside the head, it was a bit more difficult. When I touch it, it's pretty smooth, you can almost not feel it. Do you think this will show on the resin head? I attached some photos for you to see what I mean: (circular mesh inside the head cap...)
You will be able to see the detail inside the head that you are worried about. You can sand it away with a coarse grit. Then smooth it with the fine grit that you have. Then you can prime that part again That said, it's inside of the head. It does not have to look perfect in there and I have had many dolls with less than perfect interior finishing. In my opinion, it's not worth fussing over. The likelihood of your customer noticing is low and likelihood of them caring is even lower.
Yes, it will show in the cast. This is a What You See Is What Will You Get kind of situation. I agree it's not much to worry about unless the caster whants you to remove it. There are plenty of rough insides out there, so as long as it is not bad enough to trap bubbles or to cause unneccesary wear on the mold it's fine to leave it. If it is bad enough to cause a problem with the casting, the caster will be able to tell at a glance when they have it in their hands. Speaking of... Have the caster seen the inside of the head? There does appear to be a rather large ovehang under the magnet socket. Keep in mind that it has to be possible to pull the inside part of the mold out of the head back. Silicone is flexible and small overhangs are usually ok, especcially if they are at a bit of a soft slope, but this looks like a sharp shelf. You may want to double check this with them, if you haven't discussed it already. If it was me casting that head, I would suggest letting the socket continue straight down to meet the inside of the head cap.
I really wanted and tried hard to get rid of it, but the mesh of the 3D print is so strong, even if I sand it more another layer comes up with the same structure. I will check every casted head carefully and sand these parts again when casted. I think it will go away easily with a bit of sanding, much easier than at the current state...
Oh, the overlap is a good point. I have already sent them videos, photos... Everything. They didn't really mention that it's a problem. So I guess it's fine? Or they just roughly looked at it. I hope it's okay for them