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Q's about using pastel and watercolor pencil...

Mar 31, 2005

    1. Hello! Could someone tell me if the pastel is used with a dry brush (hopes!), or are people wetting their brushes first? I am much more comfortable with dry work, than wet-brush work, so I'd be thrilled if I could use the pastel and watercolor pencils dry. And what do you use the watercolor pencil for - for line work, or do you scrape them with an exacto as well? Another thought...is there powdered pastel available, that comes in jars, all ready to use with a brush? Hmm...have to check that online. If not, then what an opportunity for a new art product! Also, are the eyebrows drawn on with regular colored pencils, or with the watercolor pencils? Sorry for all the questions, but I've been reading a ton of the messages here, and the great tutorials and suggestions, but haven't found the answers to these specific questions. I have an Angel Elf Soo head coming blank, so I thought I'd try my hand at customizing her. Many thanks for your help! :daisy
       
    2. I've used pastel both wet and dry. For the light gradiation, I use it dry.

      I use watercolor pencils for linework--specifically for eyebrows, which I think answers another question of yours.

      Powdered pastels . . . you can use human makeup powder . . . since it's not oil based. I never had any luck with human makeup sticking, though. (Some people have.)

      I have used prismacolor pencils once for Yukio's eyebrows, though I think I read somewhere later on that they do have a bit of oil in them so they really *should* be avoided.

      I have no idea about other brands of colored pencils.
       
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    4. When I did Klaus's face-up and blushing for the first time (four days ago) me and Totchi just used the pastels and watercolor pencils.

      For the eyebrows on our dolls we sketched the shape with a dry watercolor pencil, then once we were pleased with the shape, we used our brushes *super mega fine brushes, there's a useful tutorial in the "about face-ups" section in this section* to wet the lead of the watercolor pencils and painted over our pencil lines.

      For the powder pastels (for my doll anyways) I used a fine wet brush to do his lips, and a larger dry brush to blush his face and body, applying the powder like I would make-up.

      If you want to see how my first attempt turned out feel free to take a look.
      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15968

      It's really very easy, and so much fun once you get into it! Seriously though, read this section for a great tutorial by xiaomimi. It's very detailed.

      Good luck with your first face-up when you get your doll! You know we'll all want to see!
       
    5. What really makes a world of difference when using pastel, is coating the surface with Mr.Super Clear, or clear primer. (I think theres a thread about alternative primers somewhere) The primer gives the pastel something to stick to.

      I use conte. Instead of using a razor to scrape color off of the conte stick, I rub it against fine sandpaper. ^_^ Less messy and just as effective - you can turn your piece of sandpaper in to a palette!
       
    6. I use all my pastels totally dry. In fact if I accidentally forget and dip my brush like I'm doing a normal repaint, I curse all over because then I have to wait for it to dry!!

      The most important thing is the base of MSC. Without that, your pastels will not adhere properly.
       
    7. I use the watercolour pencils dry because I like the really fine lines for the eyebrows, more controllable than a brush, IMHO.

      This was done entirely in watercolour pencils, dry (except for a tinny bit at the very edges of the eyes!) as a test to see how they'd work out. ^^ Sadly, you can't see the detail/eyebrow hairs.
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      I also much prefer human makeup to pastels, partly because I'm used to working with the colours, and partly because I find them softer and more vibrant than even the volks pastels. ^___^
      (Of course, I have some pretty crazy colours of eyeshadow from cosplaying. Mmmmm, Ben Nye....)

      Kika's face matches his body courtsey of about 15 layers of ben nye white poweder layered with MSC... ^^;;;
       
    8. i did my DES face up with water colour pencils to
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      the lines around the eyes anf the eyebrows were done with dry pencil and the lips , i ran the pencil over the join in the lips then used water and a brush to fill in the lips, sealed that then i used dry pencil to line the lips
       
    9. You guys are fantastic! This is JUST this information I was looking for - very specific and detailed. I thank you all very much! I am REALLY looking forward to working on the AES head that's coming, now that I know what I can use on her! I do have a can of MSC, and I just have to get ahold of a respirator before I use it. I'm prone to URI's, so I can't take any chances with the old lungs...know what I mean? But then I'll be in pencil and pastel heaven! Hooray - no more acrylics! Well, I don't mind wet-brushing for lips, but what fun to be able to layer and blend on a doll's face, just like I do on paper! Thanks again, folks! I'm really looking forward to this now...
       
    10. He's amazing! That body work is really wonderful...love the little moles or beauty marks! I can't see his face well enough, though. When you can, please post some closeups of him. Thanks! :grin:
       
    11. She's so pretty! This is inspiring me!!! Thanks so much! :daisy
       
    12. What a wonderful face! And you get a lot of texture with your work. Fabulous! Thanks! :grin:
       
    13. Jen, I'm so encouraged by this! My main complaints about painting on the vinyl dolls I've worked on, is they fact that I hate working wet. I so love the texture and softness of dry brush work and pencil. Your work is always wonderful, and I'm thrilled to know you get such great results in this way. Thanks!
       
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