I have started my final priming/sanding cycle for my sculpt. I thought that I would spray the primer, sand down any globs or drips of primer, then it would be ready. But I started sanding today, and realized it was going to be much more work than that. After I sprayed, I realized that there were lots of tiny cracks and divots that I needed to address, in addition to lumps and stuff. So, I sanded down the primer's super glossy finish, leveling out some lumps, leaving a nice matte finish on a lot of the surface, except for a bunch of the divots, which were still shiny. I was able to sand down a fair deal around some divots to get them matte as well, but not all of them. So I assume I will need to get everything as matte as I can, then re-spray it to better fill in some more of the divots - and do it multiple more times to make sure it's all addressed. How many times do you typically completely prime and re-sand down a head? I am dedicated to finishing my boy, but I would like to get an idea of what I'm in for here! My first response is to think about just spraying, without sanding, to fill those divots in. But, I am worried about some things, like filling the nostrils/tear ducts/lip crease/ears too much, so I'm hesitant to do that. Thanks for any suggestions!
Well, it depends. What type of primer are you using? Is it a sanding base type that is intended to fill in scratches and such or is it more of a finishing spray? Generally speaking, it's a good idea to get as close to perfection as you can with every step before moving on. So if your sculpt still needs smoothing out, then it's too early for primer. How big a deal this is, however, will vary depending on what materials you are using. For example, if you are working in air dry clay, you could try to remove the primer from the low spots and then fill them in with clay, sand smooth and re-apply primer, while if you are working in polymer clay you could not do this without removing all the primer, as it's usually not a good idea to bake the primer. You could still use epoxy putty for last minute fixes, but it's a lot harder to sand than polymer clay, so it's very difficult to get the transition smooth. Usually I spray one or two layers of primer after I have finished a piece and only buff the surface to prepare it for the mold, but of course sometimes I don't see things I should have fixed until after the primer is on and then I just do my best depending on the cirumstances. In severe cases I make a junk cast in polyurethane and make the final fixes there.
My original primer was Rustoleum Painter's Touch 2X glossy primer/paint 2-in1. I read somewhere here that it was a good choice (but now I am wondering if that was a mistake ), but I ran out of it, and ended up with a 'satin' finish Krylon primer (I think it is ColorMaxx), and also I got a Painter's Touch 2X with a satin finish. I am using exclusively air dry clay on this one; so far I've used the glossy Rustoleum on the head alone, and that's where I'm having trouble now. I used the Krylon type on the headcap, which luckily seems to be turning out a little better than the glossy one. I basically primed most of it, then started spreading more clay over a bunch of cracks and some small dings that I didn't fully realize were there until after I had sprayed. But overall, it's better to try to complete the work as much as possible before spraying any primer?
Matte primers are much better than everything else, because they have the fillers in it. And even using the matte primer it's sometimes hard to achieve the fine matte surface: just a bit oversprayed - and you have satin look. Matte finish has to be achieved with primer and not with the sanding, that I know for sure, as sanding inevitably leaves a non-uniform scratches, even if you use 1200 grit or so. You don't have to make everything super smooth before applying your first level of primer, as one of the main purposes of primer is to reveal any issues. The grey color is the best for that. And you can apply as many layers of air-dry clay and primer on top of each other. Also, primer is used as a filler for tiny scratches too. The bigger holes should be filled with the clay though. Previously I used only car aerosols which spray amount was hard to control, also too big areas were sprayed at a time. So losing details was a huge issue. I tried Mr. Surfacer primers, and their biggest advantage is that they can be applied with a brush. So if you see a tiny dent put a drop of Mr. Surfacer there, wait for it to dry, apply some more if needed, then after the dent is filled sand that spot. The car primer is still wonderful for a big plains: arms, legs, body, headcap and so on. Nobody could say how many layers of primer and how many sanding sessions do you need. It highly depends on your air dry clay brand, on your ability to sculpt smoothly, and so on. There can be MANY. I remember it took me a month to sand and paint/prime my OOAK full BJD whose height was 60 cm. And I still can find some imperfections - but I don't plan to cast him anyway. Attention to details is the signature of your professionalism. I've seen indie head sculpts that were all bumpy and lumpy, just because the author did the head and never expected that it would take so much time to even out the surface. Like, sculpting was fun, and the tedious polishing wasn't. I'm very picky about my sculpts, especially the face part, because your customer won't be bothered with a tiny scratch on the leg, but every imperfection on the face affects faceup greatly. Well, as you're a faceup artist you're already well aware of that issue.
Out of curiosity, is using Sandable Gesso a good or bad move for smoothing a sculpt? I've used it a lot before for smoothing out worbla and coating foam for costume stuff.
Yes, especially if it's the brush-on gesso so you can control the layer thickness and amount applied. All primers I use are sandable, it's one of their most important qualities.
@ira_scargeear Thank you for your insight! I definitely think I chose the wrong primer to begin with, as adding more clay on top was very hard (it didn't want to stick to the glossy finish). I think if I switch to the matte stuff it will be easier overall, so now I think I would probably prefer to try and remove all the glossy finish so everything else can stick better. And yes, all the tiny dings and nicks on the head are making me crazy haha! I stocked up on sandpaper recently so I can keep at it when I have the time! :3
@AirimirOfGondor, you're welcome! I believe you don't need to remove all of your primer - just try to sand it with a rough sandpaper, like 400 grit or less, or you can spray a layer of matte primer over it. What air dry clay are you using, BTW?
@ira_scargeear sorry I missed your reply, I haven't popped in to this area in a while! I am using LaDoll clay. I took a step back from working on my head fow a while, as I was getting a little frustrated (I actually had a bit of a primer mis-spray somewhere along the way, and ended up with a ton of bubbles and flaking everywhere which I had to remove), but I finally got it all sorted out, and hopefully I'll be spraying another layer of primer soon, as soon as I get a nice dry day!