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Materials Porcelain Clay

Oct 16, 2011

    1. Hello! I have a question about porcelain clay. Can I direct sculpt a BJD with it? I have an opportunity to rent space at a local, ceramic art studio, with all the bells and whistles in it. That is, kilns, potter wheels, clay, and molding with plaster. I will be the only doll artist that will use the tools there. I intend to experiment with the clay, and I know that it shrinks about 15% when bisqued in the kiln. But, I was wondering if any of "The Joint" artists could give me some tips as far as the armature I should use, and the above question, etc. Any information anyone can give me is greatly appreciated, especially since I've not used this kind of clay before. By the way, I am trying to submit what I am working on in oil-based clay. I hope to have it posted soon. Thank you in advance for your replies.
       
    2. Michelle, ceramic art studio sounds very cool 8D

      Anyhow, your question. Porcelain clay is a bit tricky to work with because, out of all the clays I've used, porcelain has the biggest shrinkage and littlest resistance to warping/cracking. What this means for the sculptor: it is hard to use porcelain to work on a project that happens over time, with variable wall thicknesses, have different moistness in the parts, and so on. For sculpting the originals, I find it is easier to use a grotty clay (clay with lots of sand and bits in it). Grot in sculpting clay is a good thing. After you sculpt the original, you can fire it or or not fire it, and then create plaster molds from that, and *then* cast with porcelain slip. When you cast with porcelain slip, the entire piece has uniform wall thickness, uniform moistness, etc etc, so it's less likely to crack/deform as it dries (still delicate as hell, though).

      So that's my experience with porcelain. You should also ask the artists at the studio, Michelle! They'd know much much more than me. And hey, if they have any tips for porcelain, I'd sure like to learn about it.

      Also, there are different formulas for porcelain! Some are less likely to warp...but I'll be damned if I know which ones.

      Good luck and make the most of it 8D

      edit: er, forgot armature.
      Making armature for clay projects is actually super forgiving. Because if you plan to fire it, you're going to have to cut your sculpture open and make sure the walls are evenly thick --- your armature is going to come out, and you have to carve so much out of the center that there's no chance for even little bits of loose armature debris to remain in your sculpture. If you do not plan to fire, then you just cut off the parts of the armature that sticks out and begin molding.

      So, what material you use just depends on your volume needs. For figurative sculpture, you'll pbb have to use some kind of wire or pipe. Hardware store carry plumbing pipes with all kinds of elbows and connectors. Wires...you can use anything that works, I guess, but you should twist wires together so that the clay has something to grab on to. For bigger volumes, crumpled news paper works just fine. I know some people use wire meshes in part of their armature, but usually it's for big projects (life size and bigger).

      Anyhow, good luck 8D
       
      #2 penguu, Oct 16, 2011
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    3. Thank you very much penguu! The information you have given me is very informative, and I will take it with me on my first day at the studio. I will definitely ask the other artists also, and I will let you know what they have to say if it is different than your suggestions. I do have pipes, connectors, wire and some mesh that I have used with the oil based clay. Thankfully I don't have to buy any more of those! :0) I liked working with the oil based clay, but it is totally different than the porcelain. I haven't sculpted with the porcelain yet, but I've purchased 25 lbs of it already, so I either need to buy another bunch of the grotty clay you mentioned or the other artists may tell me I don't need to. We shall see. Again, thank you for your reply!

      Kind regards,
      Michelle
       
    4. Porcelain is a water-based clay, so you must keep it wet while working on it.
      That means misting the work-in-progress from time-to-time and
      covering it with plastic between working on it.

      It seems you are already aware of shrinkage.
      There will be shrinkage from the greenware state, to the leather-hard, and bone-dry states.

      What you may want to consider doing, is modeling the porcelain over a standard wire armature supported by a modeling stand for sculpture; then, at the early leather-hard state, remove the sculpt from the modeling stand, and cut it apart at the limbs and head, making six doll parts: head, torso, arms and legs. Mold these parts in plaster rough shell molds, or moulage molds. Cast carving wax into the water-saturated plaster rough shell molds, then refine the carving wax doll parts to make patterns for making the final porcelain slip casting molds from plaster. This is similar to Martha Armstrong-Hand's method, except she models the original doll in one piece using oil-clay, not porcelain.

      The advantage to using oil-clay as the original modeling material is that it does not dry out or harden. Modeling wax has the same properties. Oil-clay and modeling wax are reusable modeling materials. Porcelain may be reused as a modeling material until it is fired. After firing, it will not return to a plastic state.

      Wire armatures are fairly easy to make. Drive a nail partway into your work bench and loop some wire around it. Put the two loose ends in a drill chuck. Operate the drill to twist the wire.

      :)
       
      #4 kwmelvin, Oct 17, 2011
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    5. Thank you kwmelvin for the info! I am taking all the info you and penguu have so graciously given me, to the studio today! I am looking forward to my new adventure in the art world! :0)
       
    6. I am currently working on my4th and 5th porcelain doll. I haven't yet done any casting using slip and molds but i plan to do so sometime in the future. I sculpt the dolls from porcelain and I have found it to be a very nice smooth clay to work with. Because I work fairly small, I needed to switch to porcelain to get the detail I needed. I don't use any armature because it can't stay in the clay once it gets fired. I tried to put wire in it at first and it blew the head to bits! That is due to different expansion rates. What I do is form each body part separately, hollowing out as I go. Keep everything covered loosely with plastic wrap so it dries very slow. This prevents cracks. I'm just a beginner myself but I have learned a lot along the way and I will share whatever I learned with you.[​IMG]
       
    7. Hello Katdazzle! Thanks so much for sharing your info! I appreciate it. I can use all the help I can get. I'm sorry it has taken me all this time to respond. Lots a stuff going on! Anyway, it looks like you are getting a good handle on your sculpting in porcelain! I can't say I've tried it yet because I am using oil based clay to make molds from later, by the suggestion of other artists who use porcelain as a slip for their molds. I have heard that you can use balled up newspaper to work clay around it and that it will simply burn out in the kiln when fired. Is that true? I need to ask the folks at the ceramic studio if that is true too. If you find out before I do, please let me know. Otherwise, I will tell you what I find out. Thanks! Keep up the good work! Hope to see your finished doll soon! :0)
       
    8. Yes, you can use paper inside and let it burn out but I just let the piece get a little hard and scoop out all the inside softer clay. Very easy.
       
    9. yes, you can use balled up newspaper, and yes, it will burn out in the kiln BUT

      You probably should cut up your porcelain piece, dig out the newspaper, and thin the walls to roughly uniform thicknesses before fire, so that your hard work will not blow up in the kiln and take down other people's hard work with it. XD

      Balled up newspaper is great to begin building with, but chances are your sculpts will change as you go...and the balled up newspaper that used to be in the center will migrate to some off-center location after a while. It may even migrate the surface on one side, giving you mightily uneven walls. Balled up newspaper can also create air bubbles inside the clay walls with its complicated crumpling action, and air bubbles in kiln = blowing up...

      It doesn't mean newspaper centers ALWAYS cause explosions. But just to be safe, you know...
       
    10. Thanks for the information! I don't think I'll be using the newspaper after all....better safe than sorry! I think I'll go with plaster molds to start with the porcelain. Then maybe building up porcelain later just to experience it. :0)
       
    11. I think I will try your method after I try the plaster molds first. Thanks for your info! :0)
       
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