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MSD Satyr/deer? wip (updated 08-10-26 see p.5)

Aug 3, 2008

    1. updated 08-10-26 see p.5

      i'm alive O_O!


      teaser pic:


      [​IMG]




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      update August 27

      plese see page 4!!!!


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      Updated August 15th go to page four for details
      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3578514&postcount=65


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      updated August 11

      some important discussion
      see page 3 post 56
      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3559845&postcount=56




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      updated August 8 see p.3

      i'm still looking for head critiquing (post on page 2)

      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3549048&postcount=42


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      update August 5th

      see page 2 for head critiquing! i really need yopur healp >_<

      http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3540108&postcount=25

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      Updating the same day? Oh dear...

      I did quite a bit of work on it today

      I did the hands:
      [​IMG]

      here are the legs I changed the proportions a bit (I think it looks better) [​IMG]
      (sorry for the blurry photo @_@)
      now to do the details and jointing >_<

      an important question:

      I want to make optional horns (4 different kinds) if I cast each head with the sculpted on horns, that means Iโ€™d have to make 5 casts per head! So Iโ€™m looking for an alternative, magnets arenโ€™t really an option, since I canโ€™t order them on line
      All I came up with is casting them separately and super gluing them on <_<;


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      if all goes according to plan i will be casting this!

      I worked on this for 3-4 days for now, it will be approximately 43 cm tall with 8 mm eyes

      Here is one of the legs:

      [​IMG]

      The sculpy is all marble coloured and stuff because I ran out of skin colours super sculpy x.X

      Here are two of the heads (Iโ€™m still working on them, I realize they are not perfectly symmetrical) I want to make 4 in all :3
      [​IMG]

      These photos show the movement range (sort of <_<;;; )
      [​IMG]

      now both the legs!
      [​IMG]

      I want to make the legs slightly shorter and the body slightly longer (we are talking millimeters here)

      Iโ€™m wondering if I should make the shin joint shorter and the ankle joint longer?

      Anyone in yet?

      Any input and criticism would be greatly appreciated :โ€™D
       
    2. Yay for Satyrs! a critique. your sculpting is beautiful. I love the chest and neck and shoulders. I wonder how the back is sculpted (im big on backs i think they're smexy). At the hip is that going to be a ball or are you going to join it to the thigh? i believe that joing it to the thigh will give it mroe stability(as u gave a bobobie and it's ability too stay depends on if he loves me or not and i think a big deal is that joint and not being sueded) or are you going to have the flexibility of the ball?
      In my personal oppinion i believe that the top of the legs is a little long and my prefrence would be to move the "ankle joint up to a little under half way to the knee. but once again thats just me. It looks amazing and i cant wait to see more! Also you know if you get these made out right and decided to sell just the legs i know a lot of peple would be interested i know i'd need to get a pair if i had an Msd <3
       
    3. firefaux thank you for your comment :D most people will tell you it looks great and run <_<;;; i love backs too <3 i wouldn't dream of not making it look good xD; i'm probably going to attach the ball to the hips, because it gives you stability and flexibility! and if i do it right it will be able to cross it's legs *_*
      i slept on the idea (the legs i made just yesterday) i think i will be moving the ankle, but maybe not quite half way :3
       
    4. Love it so far. :D What sort of clay are you using for him? What clay did you use for the head/torso? And what clay for the legs?
       
    5. I want I want I want I want I want I want I want I want... seriously though, this is pure genious
       
    6. yay you started! I don't know much about sculpting so I can't offer much advice sorry! ^^;; But it looks really good! The movement also looks really good but some posing would give better idea of the moblitly. Although I do think the thigh is it, the top part of the leg is a bit long...
       
    7. Ooh looks so nice so far =D i think you need to add a bit more "meat" to the legs and also, i think the top part of the leg is a little too long, something looks off there. I just think you need to start refining the body structure~

      I can't wait to see where you go with this! The Satyr thing is becomming a wonderfull craze xD
       
    8. Yarr~! Stop bein' so awesome! X3 I'm thinking that the shin could be shortened and the ankle lengthened. Then again...It might 'look' better the way it is already. Also..maybe a wee bit more meat/curve to the calve or...whatever its called on the back of the shin. @w@
       
    9. Vaith it's all super sculpy and a bit of sculpy III it's just different colours because i ran out of one and continued in another...

      Ciantha xD thank you~<3

      Urushi-kitty i know,for some reason the measurement ratio seems about right but it still looks too long :? i'll see what i can do

      Adae i'm looking in to it :) i asked what i should make and people seemed interested in a Satyr xD

      The Blue Kuma thanks :D will do
       
    10. He looks great to me. I think the thing that makes him seem too long is the short ankle joint, but who's to really say what the 'correct' proprotions on a fantasy figure are?

      If you follow Da Vinci's way of measuring, he actually comes up a lil short. According to
      Da Vinci: Proportionate body = 8 measurements of the face from forehead to chin for total length.

      The legs could probably use a lil more muscle mass to account for the weight they would normally lift. But, again, fantasy figure = 'normal' standards do not apply.

      I think it's a beautiful doll and you have great talent. He would be lovely just as he is.
       
    11. One possible reason that it may seem the top of the leg (thigh) is too long is due to the fact that the bottom of the leg (shin) is split? Unless I am misunderstanding what people meant by top and bottom of the leg? I think it looks fairly proportionate, especially when you show it crouching. You do some amazing work! I look forward to watching your progress!!
       
    12. Wolfmammy thank you :) a head short to be exact xD;

      SillLadyFaethank you <3 i think you wore right, i fixed the ratio between the ankle and shin, it seems to have fixed the problem
       
    13. Nice work. I look forward to seeing this guy finished. :)

      I think if you can't do magnets for the horns, you'll want to have some sort of peg system. Maybe a hole in the headcap, and a peg on the end of the horns that goes through to the inside, where you could secure it with eye putty. That way you could put a wig on him, as long as you were willing to cut holes in it.
       
    14. He looks really good so far! I think though that his hooves might be a little too small for him to stand and balance well, maybe?
       
    15. Logodae thank you, i guess i'll have to do that xD

      candygears if i could order them i would love to have used them *3*

      Miss_Pygmalion O_O i haven't thought about it! i'll keep it in mind, thank you for bringing it up >_<

      my mom went and told me that it supposable resembles a devil, you know what i want to know why is it that sheep/goat features are associated with that ;A; why can't it be innocent and playful ? what did goats/sheep ever do to you? (sorry just a thought)

      EDIT: and arn't lams holy or something? talk about mixed signals OTL
       
    16. -ooh's and aw's- For the horn attaching...maybe you could have little pegs attahed to the bottom of the horns and little holes in the head for them to fit into..if, that is, you didn't want to use magnets. @W@
       
    17. Miss_Pygmalion thank you ;A; (needed a little cheering up) i'll go with the pegs, i don't know were i can get strong enough magnets were i live (and i can't order on line)
       
    18. Beautiful work!
      Keep it up! :D
       
    19. ohhh optional horns...hmm magnets arent an option so why not make them kinda like a head band? I have a pair of kitty ears and the way to wear them is there's an elsatic band...I'll yake a picture to help you if you don't understand! ^^;; And from what i know...yes lambs are holy but I think goats are considered evil because of Pan the satyr...or something...
       
    20. okay I took the picture! This is what I'm suggesting:

      [​IMG]
       
    21. xXDarkNekoXx thank you, and i will xD;;;

      Urushi-kitty thanks for the picturs :D through i think i'll stick with pegs ^^;
       
    22. His face is really nice - I like the full lips. A nice contrast to the teeny tiny mouths on some BJDs. And the hands look great. How about some small nails or tacks for the horns, with a matching small hole in the head to insert them in? A variation on the peg idea.
       
    23. Allegro thank you, you are the first person to comment on the face! i was getting a little worried that it looked bad so nobody was commenting >_<

      you mean like there are 3 pieces? (the head (xD) the peg and the horn?)
       
    24. Another update (August 6th)

      Thank you for everyone who commented! I appreciate it m(._.)m

      I cut the torso in 3 parts
      [​IMG]

      Iโ€™m posting some close ups of the faces, Iโ€™m not too happy with the way they turned out and I found out I canโ€™t make a smiling face with a closed mouth that looks good or at least ok ._.;;;; all in all they look odd and mutated or something :B

      So Iโ€™m hoping for some critique on what you like and what could be better (please donโ€™t comment on the symmetry! I can see whatโ€™s wrong) and I do realize some of the face ratios are wrong (forehead too small and so onโ€ฆ)

      oh and the ears are really rough because i tend to crush them as i work...

      Iโ€™m also looking for a suggestion for the 4th face, links to photos of faces or other doll sculpts could be helpful to describe what you mean!

      1st face, it is supposed to be angryโ€ฆ
      [​IMG]

      2nd face, originally it was supposed to be just smiling but I didnโ€™t like the way it looked so I added teeth and made it lessโ€ฆhappy?
      [​IMG]

      3rd head, he was supposed to be sad, I think he looks more miserable in real life then on the photo <_<
      [​IMG]

      4th head, looking for suggestions!
       
    25. I think for the angry head, you should lower the brows a little if you really want that ):< look. Know what I mean? cause right now he looks pretty neutral.
       
    26. Miss_Pygmalion yes i understand what you mean (such a quick reply! :O)
      what do you think of the heads in general? (i won&#8217;t get offended if you say you don't care much for them! better know the truth)
       
    27. Kiyakotari ack! know but i don't have paypal or a bank account yet for that matter >_< i'm sorry if i sounded rude._.
       
    28. Wasn't one of the orginal heads smiling? Sometimes just curving the lips up at the edges can make a face look smiley. I love the way you do the bottom lip and the chin! I think my favorite mouth is the angry one of the recent three you posted. I also like the way you add a brow ridge, it really helps add character! One thing, I am not sure if it's just me, but the ears seem a little low or small? Keep up the great work! It is really coming along nicely!
       
    29. SillLadyFae yes the one that has teeth now was smiling, i tried doing that but it just looked strange, the face got a shape and futures that i made when i first started sculpting faces, and it didn't look good :ablah:
      thank you for your nice comments >3<
      yah the ears are all wonky because i didn't bother with them yet -_-;;; Iโ€™ll remember to make them bigger through!
       
    30. nyu! I love the way you sculpt hands! I think the second face looks kinda happy but more like..neutral happy. gyaaahh I not making any sense am I? oh wells...I can't wait to see more of the lil satyr!
       
    31. Urushi-kitty thank you >3< i think i know what you mean ;) through he was supposed to be more 'dreamy' looking (as in he is dreaming) i fixed it a little since then, but i don't know how much good it did <_<
       
    32. I think he's pretty darn cute! I'm not really a huge fan of the larger ethnic(?) sort of lips, but that's just my personal taste. I like his pointy chin, and his teeth! :B I think the eyes could use a little work with symmetry, and tidying up the details in them.

      You might want to build up the top of his head(s) a little bit, or he won't be able to keep a wig on very well.
       
    33. Miss_Pygmalion x3 i'm glad you think so
      i have large lips my self so i always end up doing the same for my dolls, is Gypsy considered an ethnic group? @_@ drr English and their definitions >_<
      but if it makes you feel any better i have reduced the size of the lips on the doll head with teeth (it fit what i had envisioned for it better)

      the eyes are terrible in terms of symmetry it's quite offensive :o, and i'm working on the details :)

      really? i'll have to do that + it will make the head a more regular doll head size (it is something like 5 6/8 of an inch)
       
    34. I don't think there is anything "ethnic" about large lips...

      He looks great so far, I love how different his face is from other BJD don't change it! Its very unique!
       
    35. bambi_roo28 xD i think so too, i mean it's not your fault your gens mutated xD;;; (no offense meant to anyone!) through it is true that ethnic people tend to have fuller lips

      thank you *3* i'm not planing on changing it a lot, just making it more symmetrical/how i imagined it and making sure the heads don't end up looking too alike DX
       
    36. Nice heads! They look very satyr-like, somehow. And I'm impressed with how closely they match... it definitely looks like one character with different expressions, not multiple characters.

      One suggestion, if you want to make the angry head angrier: tilt the eyebrows more, and lower them. You've tilted the eyelids, but on a real face, the eyelids tilt because of the eyebrows moving.
       
    37. Logodae thank you for your comment :D
      i'll see if i actually want to make him angrier xD! if i do then i will follow your suggestion for sure :)

      his eyes are tilted because he's supposed to look little Asian :X
       
    38. Lots of MSD dolls wear 6-7" wigs, so yeah, you can build it up a little and still have it be fine in terms of size. :)
       
    39. Miss_Pygmalion i'm hoping to build it up to at least 6 inches becouse wigs size 5-6 is really hard to find X_X
       
    40. Ok,ok I didnโ€™t change that much but I thought Iโ€™d give people an update anyway

      I redid the torso in gray, because I couldnโ€™t see what I was doing in skin colour *_*:
      [​IMG]
      I will be cutting this torso in 3 parts as wellโ€ฆ

      Here is the shot of the rough back (the weird tabs on his shoulder blades are there so the little detail I did of the spine wouldnโ€™t get crushed)
      [​IMG]

      Updated version of the leg movement picture:
      [​IMG]

      And another full body shot :3

      [​IMG]

      i'm still looking for critique on the heads!

      thank you for looking!
       
    41. I think the head is a personal thing. To ask for critique on the head is to invite others to put their ideals on your work.
      What kind of critique are you looking for? Symmetry? overall aesthetics?
      Personally, its a bit long for my taste, but that is what you were going for, so I think you succeeded in giving it the right look ^_____^ Just believe in what you do! (only ask for critique of symmetry and you'll feel a lot better)
       
    42. soshi thank you for your comment :) i was asking people the over all (for example someone suggested i make the top of the head bigger, i did and it worked out perfectly~!), and every one has been very nice and helpfully so far :D

      personally i think people actually didn't give me enough critique *_* (i'm surprisingly good at taking harsh critiquing xD;; )
       
    43. (Critique as requested)

      Your 1st head has the best nose and mouth. The most definition, and appeal (to me anyway). I would suggest using that head as your base sculpt. Once you start making castings of it. You can change the expressions and the eyes but still keep the 'look' of your boy.

      Your eyes still need a more dynamic/defined shape. They're kinda just oval. Building up the eyebrow ridge and cheekbone (both can be done very subtly) will help 'ground' your eyes.

      You style reminds me of Kaye Wiggs, and DollsTown. Obviously you want to be unique, but look at their work. Maybe their faces will give you inspiration.

      Also in regards to the Ankles, my personal experience with dolls that have lots of mobility is that it's too much of a good thing! It hinders the enjoyment of a doll if it can't stand and pose. So do not be afraid of removing a joint from the hock or ankle if you find your doll needs more stability. Just my .02

      Overall I see a lot of potental. Your body's anatomy is good, I love your noses and I have a thing for pouty lips, and you did double joint knees (very good choice IMHO).
       
    44. MieAga i made the 1st head in half an hour xD;;; then i had it lying around for a month, and i would take it out now and then to work on it, so i'm not surprised you think it's the best one (i think so too >D)
      thank you for the suggestion, i knew there was something wrong with it but couldn't quite figure it out ^^;
      DollsTown is very much an inspiration for this, i'm glad someone was able to pick it up (i also looked at Kaye Wiggs dolls) too bad i don't have a printer so i can have a solid copy of my inspiration D:
      i'll do my best to prevent it from being flimsy, but if their is no other way out i'll do that

      thank you :D i was wondering if i did the right thing with the double joints, but after making few dolls the double joint was the only one i found satisfactory/ that i could actually make look decent <_<;;

      thank you so much for your comment/critique it was very helpful :)
       
    45. I love how it is coming out!!! I'll be watching this thread closely:)
       
    46. LOL! Can't fake inspiration. Some of my best work took the shortest amount of time too ;)

      Glad to help. If you need my thoughts again feel free to PM me :)
       
    47. csnow thank you :D

      MieAga too true, sometimes it strikes when lest expected, i was actually trying to make a female head, but this one just popped out xD;;;;
      thank you :D now i know who to consult if needed ;)
       
    48. The body is coming out wonderful hun...as for the head it reminds me somewhat of a old Japaneses painting (the way the face is done) I like it because it is uniquely you. It is done in your own style which makes it the more special. As soshi said... try not to let people sway you in different directions to the point you start molding replicas of a dollfie. Have fun, think out side the BJD box. (i need to take my own advice as well while I make mine lol ) with that said can't wait to see the final !
       
    49. MediaStar thank you :D
      don't worry, people won't be swaying me any where i know exactly what i want from the face, it's just sometimes you can't see what your doing wrong to get there (becouse you wore looking at it for too long!), and that's where the critique comes in ;)
      i want to make optional bird wings (like http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3483405&postcount=26 and http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3494568&postcount=44)
      is that out side the BJD box enough...? :lol: (i love the way you put it)

      i can't wait to see it finished too, everyones nice comments and support make me all motivated :3 (runs off to work on it, and yes at 1:20 am :|)
       
    50. Maybe some things have been said before, but I haven't read all replies.

      For the angry head it would be better to push the brow a little down, making a little frown. Also making the innersides of the eyes a little squinty (sp?) makes it that he looks more angry. Perhaps a malicious grin is also nice.

      The happy head looks a little neutral, but I kind of like it.

      the sad face looks really sad, but a pouty mouth would help alot.

      As for your heads in general. I like the cheeks alot, and the nose is cute too.

      The last head. Perhaps seductive? or a sleeping/dreaming head are always nice.

      I hope I could be of some help
       
    51. tha_queen_of_chaos it's ok (not everyone has the time too read everything, unlike some people *cough*me*cough*)
      i added on his eyebrows (not shown on any photos posted), i would have loved to make him a malicious grin, but i'm not too good with smiles ^^;;;
      i think i'll keep it that way, everyone seems to be fine with it being that way
      Pouty X3 i'll see what i can do
      :D thank you, everyone likes the nose xD
      seductive *3* why didn't i think of that? (thank you for the suggestion for the 4th head, first person to do so!)
      don't worry you wore very helpful thank you so much >3< :)
       
    52. What is the body hollowed out with?
       
    53. bambi_roo28 i make the hollow limbs with straws (i stick a straw through it wile rotating and it takes out the extra sculpy and makes a nice even hole ^^) and for the body (and larger holes) i cut out with an exact-o knife, except the heads, i sculpt them hollow

      i hope that helped :sweat
       
    54. but i was just thinking and i wanted to see what everybody else thought

      i want to make optional bird wings like this doll i did (see posts 26 and 44 http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?t=230409)

      so you can choose between a Satyr or a bird... thing (i'm making human legs as well for anybody who is wondering...)

      is that worth investing in or am i just deluded? :sweat

      i really want to make a pair of optional flute playing hands :fangirl:

      i like the way this project is going but there is still so much i need to fix that just doesn't work :barf

      is there anything you would suggest i should do?

      + if i fix it up would anybody be genuinely interested in getting one? why and why not...

      that's it for now

      thanks for everyone who commented and critiqued i rally appreciate your help and support :aheartbea
       
    55. The links aren't working for me. :( I would be interested in getting one just because he looks positively awesome! :)


       
    56. Fawns and Satyrs or are pagan images and therefore considered evil devil-worshipping stuff to christians. And we all know that pagans are baby-eating devil-worshippers that will kill you in a second and bathe in your blood!!!

      :roll:

      Your boy is coming along very well! I hadn't thought about the hooves being too small before either....maybe that's why the Soom dolls hooves are so big...:doh

      They look good, though. And the first head is definately the best. To make the 'angry' head more....angry looking draw the brows down closer to the bridge of his nose.

      You're doing great!
       
    57. Wolfmammy D: that makes science, but i'm too open minded for my own good sometimes, so i was confused/didn't get it <_<
      :o i hope i don't have to make them bigger becouse i rather like the way they look now (i even sculpted a bit of curly fur at the top!) through it's more in the balance less in the size of the foot, sort of like those female Obitsu dolls, their feet are tinny but they stand fine
      i like that head as well, all the other ones are giving me grief right now D:< (especially the sad one U_U how sad...)

      thank you for your comment :D