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Monah porcelain BJD - new face painting!

Feb 9, 2010

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    1. She makes me smile every time I see her. So lovely. Hope the casting goes well. *u*
       
      #181 joankagami, Sep 3, 2010
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    2. Thank you Joankagami. It is so good to know she makes you smile
      thank you!
       
      #182 tatianatofaneto, Sep 3, 2010
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    3. Its been a while since I posted a commment :) She looks so fabulously amazing!! your hands were an inspiration to me getting mine just right - they are so beautiful. She is an absolute delight to look at and I cant wait to see her in porcelain :)
       
      #183 whitewings, Feb 11, 2011
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    4. Thank you whitewings! It's has also been a long time since I posted. I've been working on plaster molds and test firings. It looks like forever to finish her. But I'm enjoying the journey. =)
      I've taken a look at your doll Alexis, she is also gorgeous!
       
      #184 tatianatofaneto, Feb 12, 2011
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    5. Wonderful!!!!
       
      #185 cerchio fatato, Feb 12, 2011
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    6. Beautiful!!! Only suggestion is to make sure she has roundness on the front of her cheek area and the front of her forehead, as well as on the sides. She has a lovely, serene expression.
       
      #186 divi, Feb 13, 2011
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    7. Thanks for the advice divi, I'm glad you like her. โ™ฅโ™ฅ
       
      #187 tatianatofaneto, Feb 20, 2011
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    8. I'm so looking forward to seeing her test firings!! I've had no luck finding anyone locally that can fire porcelain.... the closest is a two hour drive away - so we're talking on the phone about future posibilities >.<

      Do you have any sneaky preview pictures of her molds etc?
       
      #188 whitewings, Feb 22, 2011
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    9. Whitewings, I think I have fired 4 or 5 times already, but I wasn't 100% proud of any of them. It's taking much longer than I have ever imagined. I only hope to finally have my perfect doll soon... tomorrow I'll make new casts, refine and fire again...
      I don't have pictures because I don't remember to take them, it's too much work.
      I hope you will find a way to fire your porcelain soon (what a pitty we are not neighboors!)
      good luck!
      hugs, Tatiana
       
      #189 tatianatofaneto, Feb 22, 2011
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    10. What kind of clay did you start out with for the initial sculpting? I think she is one of the most beautiful detailed dolls I've ever seen. Her hands are amazing. My mouth fell open when I saw the picture of them.
       
      #190 Ktewinc, Aug 12, 2011
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    11. Hi Ktewinc, I always use ProSculpt polymer clay, it is my favorite! Thank you for your nice comment on my doll!
       
      #191 tatianatofaneto, Aug 12, 2011
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    12. Hello everyone!
      I just wanted to post a quick update, my doll has finally become a porcelain doll... I have been working so hard. She is painted now and my next step will be stringing her.

      Here is a picture of her parts in porcelain, but not painted yet:

      [​IMG]

      for more pictures please visit http://flicrk.com/tatidoll
       
      #192 tatianatofaneto, Aug 12, 2011
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    13. Congratulations on making such an exquisite porcelain BJD. :love

      I took a look at your Flickr pictures and noticed that even though you modeled
      your original doll in polymer clay, you still made a wax prototype. Did you find any
      advantage in wax over polymer clay for refining your doll?
       
      #193 kwmelvin, Aug 12, 2011
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    14. Congratulations! I know you've been working on her a long time...she's wonderful. I can't wait to see one painted.
       
      #194 Dianna, Aug 12, 2011
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    15. kwmelvin: My polymer clay prototype was not smooth enough so I decided to make wax over polymer clay so that I was able to refine it much easier. Yes, I think wax is much better for refining than polymer clay!
      thank you for your comment!

      Dianna: Thank you! She is painted already, but I will only show final pictures now, I am also anxious to know if you will like her painted as much as you like the unpainted doll!
       
      #195 tatianatofaneto, Aug 12, 2011
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    16. Congratulations tatiana, shes wonderful, cant wait to see her painted also!
       
      #196 Bridget McCall, Aug 13, 2011
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    17. Oh, I'm so glad to see an update to this project and that you've managed to complete her. She looks beautiful, can't wait for the painted/strung photos. Congratulations!
       
      #197 crowtree, Aug 13, 2011
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    18. Thank you glimmer and crowtree! โ™ฅ
       
      #198 tatianatofaneto, Aug 13, 2011
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    19. Yay Tatiana - i am so excited for you!!! What a wonderful finish to such a labor of love - I really am looking forward to seeing her painted!! Best of luck with her next firings!!!
       
      #199 whitewings, Aug 14, 2011
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    20. thank you whitewings! yes it was everything as planned during painting firings! Now I am having a big headache about stringing her with the springs! but who said it would be easy? =)
       
      #200 tatianatofaneto, Aug 14, 2011
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    21. spring tensioning

      I, for one, would be very interested in your design for spring tensioning. ;)
      People have been spring tensioning dolls since the 1800s. :arrr
      Some have even taken out patents for their spring tensioning designs. :p
      However, I have not seen any designs worth patenting. :XD

      BJDs are, for the most part, human shaped, with a torso, head, arms, and legs.
      There are only so many combinations that you can come up with to place
      springs, s-hooks, pins, and swivels inside those parts, to make them work. :dead

      From what I've seen, so far, (mainly at the Enchanted Forum), the biggest
      problem for spring tensioning a porcelain BJD is in finding springs small enough
      to fit inside the limbs, especially at the wrist and ankle joints (for small dolls).
      Most of those doll-makers have had to order custom springs, and they
      are very expensive in small quantities (less than 1000).

      Otherwise, it seems very straightforward to tension a porcelain BJD with
      springs, s-hooks, pins, and swivels. The pins and s-hooks can be fabricated
      from stainless steel MIG welding wire, which comes in small diameters, and
      in small spools. Fishing swivels can be used for the swivels, and the springs?....
      well the springs seem to be the big problem.

      What is your experience? How are you doing in Brazil?
      :)
       
      #201 kwmelvin, Aug 14, 2011
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    22. kwmelvin: I find springs stringing to be very challenging and hard part of the porcelain creation, I've heard people have spent lots of money in springs until they find the suitable ones. Well, I am so glad my doll is not so tiny she will be 15 inches... it will not be difficult to find springs, and I have already found a big store in my country where I can buy all kinds of springs and I can eve order custom springs, so this will be no problem for me. The problem I think is calculating the right tension for every joint. It is so tiring! Well I will keep trying until I know every doll will have different spring designs because it depends so much on the size and diameter of each part to be strung... so I will keep trying until I find my design! thank you for your comment!
       
      #202 tatianatofaneto, Aug 15, 2011
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    23. Celebrating!

      I am celebrating now that my doll is almost finshed! :))

      [​IMG]
       
      #203 tatianatofaneto, Aug 20, 2011
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    24. Celebrating!

      I am celebrating now that my doll is almost finshed! :))

      [​IMG]
       
      #204 tatianatofaneto, Aug 20, 2011
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    25. I sent you an e-mail to go on the waiting list :) Do let us know how the springs go..... I have no-one close by that can show me how to do it in person so I am very curious about the process!!
       
      #205 whitewings, Aug 21, 2011
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    26. spring tensioning a porcelain BJD

      Industrial strength Extension Springs are used.
      o\\\\\\\\\o <--a small, industrial strength extension spring. :)
      S-hooks connect the springs to pins
      pin, S-hook, o\\\\\\\\\\o, S-hook, pin.
      Martha A-H also incorporated fishing swivels in some limbs.

      Here are some links from Enchanted which may help you design your spring tensioning system for your porcelain ball jointed doll:

      http://www.biscuitshouse.com/Enchanted/showpost.php?p=33230&postcount=144

      http://www.biscuitshouse.com/Enchanted/showpost.php?p=36759&postcount=183

      http://www.biscuitshouse.com/Enchanted/showpost.php?p=39014&postcount=196

      http://www.biscuitshouse.com/Enchanted/showpost.php?p=41471&postcount=217

      Since each porcelain doll made by doll artists are slightly different, due to the design of the doll, shrinkage, thickness of cast porcelain, and so forth, no one can say: "Buy this exact spring, S-hook, and fishing swivel; then assemble it exactly in this way.". Each doll maker must figure it out for her own dolls.

      Hopefully helpful.
      :)
       
      #206 kwmelvin, Aug 21, 2011
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    27. Whitewings: thank you for your interest! Please take a look at kwmelvin last post which is the perfect answer for your request!

      Since each porcelain doll made by doll artists are slightly different, due to the design of the doll, shrinkage, thickness of cast porcelain, and so forth, no one can say: "Buy this exact spring, S-hook, and fishing swivel; then assemble it exactly in this way.". Each doll maker must figure it out for her own dolls


      I researched and studied a lot of pictures, websites and yet my stringing design is totally different and unique - it's the same with every doll maker - because every doll is different.
       
      #207 tatianatofaneto, Aug 21, 2011
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    28. Thank you both for the links...... I'm still making molds XD I guess It will be about trial and error :)
       
      #208 whitewings, Aug 21, 2011
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    29. I think that if all the porcelain doll makers would share their spring tensioning designs, and share their sources for materials, such as springs, s-hooks, and swivels, then the whole porcelain doll making community would benefit, and spring tensioning a porcelain BJD would lose its big mystery.

      However, since spring tensioning is shrouded in mystery, and porcelain doll makers are not as willing to share what they know with others, then each and every new porcelain doll maker is forced to spend hours, days, weeks, or months figuring it all out from scratch. Each doll maker must re-invent the wheel each time. :o

      Perhaps it is some sort of initiation test? :XD

      What if the resin BJD community was the same? The Joint wouldn't flourish and have this wonderful University atmosphere if no one was willing to share information with each other.

      http://www.biscuitshouse.com/Enchanted/showthread.php?p=40716#post40716

      โ€œThe mind is not a vessel to be filled but a fire to be kindled.โ€ Plutarch

      :)
       
      #209 kwmelvin, Aug 21, 2011
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    30. Finished!

      Hello everyone,

      here is my finished porcelain ball jointed doll
      I am happy and want to thank you everyone who followed my journey here on the joint!

      [​IMG]

      [​IMG]

      more pictures & info at: www.DollEssence.com/monah_order.html
       
      #210 tatianatofaneto, Sep 2, 2011
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    31. Really nice, more beautiful if was possible! Congratulations!
       
      #211 Mirnae, Sep 3, 2011
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    32. I wish you the best of Luck my beloved Tati!!! your work is so stunning and I am sure collectors will adore your porcelain girls!!

      as always all my Love <3
       
      #212 NeferKane, Sep 3, 2011
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    33. thank you Mirnae!

      NeferKane: thank you dear for your all support!
       
      #213 tatianatofaneto, Sep 3, 2011
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    34. More than deserved my darling; you are a great artist and it has to be mentioned everywhere :)
       
      #214 NeferKane, Sep 3, 2011
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    35. New Monah!

      Hello,

      I just wanted to share with you all (in case you haven't seen it yet) the new face painting I did for Monah. I was not happy with the first painting but now I think I have achieved my goal.
      Hope you like her!
      You can see more pictures in my website:
      http://www.dollessence.com

      [​IMG]
       
      #215 tatianatofaneto, Oct 23, 2011
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    36. Wow she looks so beautiful! This face up really changes her and makes her seem even more exotic.
       
      #216 Higgy, Oct 23, 2011
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    37. Thank you Higgy! :)
       
      #217 tatianatofaneto, Oct 23, 2011
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    38. Simplesmente LINDA!
       
      #218 pituca, Nov 24, 2011
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    39. I do love your doll, Tatiana. Monah is jsut stunning!

      Congratulations for your great job! ;)
       
      #219 Solsikke, Nov 25, 2011
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    40. thank you pituca!

      Thank you Solsikke

      glad you like her!
       
      #220 tatianatofaneto, Nov 26, 2011
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    41. wow, parabens Tatiana, ele eh linda.. espero um dia chegar perto do seu grau d habilidade e talento ^^
       
      #221 icaro, Nov 27, 2011
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    42. Muito obrigado Icaro! :)
       
      #222 tatianatofaneto, Dec 11, 2011
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