I was looking through the doll meet up galleries and something occurred to me. In some of the complete photo sets the pictures are extreme close-ups of the dolls and absolutely no concept of the meet up location. This was disappointing to me, since I was specifically looking for what I might see if I went to a location where I know people have had meets before, to see what I might see if I go later on my own, or for another meet. What I want to know is, do people generally just want to have pictures of the dolls at meets, or are they interested in the locations and the dolls are a social medium and pleasant perk to visiting a place. Generally if I go to a meet at a garden, museum, or historical site and I want to take some pictures with my doll, the photographs are going to focus on the location, with the doll in there somewhere exploring the setting. I figure I can take extreme closeups of my dolls when I'm at home in my living room. I wouldn't go to a historical fort and then just take 30 photos of dolls on a picnic table. I have gone to places and set a doll up in a location, and then walked 30 feet away to take photograph of the surroundings with her in it. This seems like a more successful representation of taking my doll out into the world, doing it this way. Also, if I paid money to go to a place... I'm going to enjoy the place-- dolls would just be a fun enrichment. (Also I love dressing my dolls to match a venue! ) I know some people are more into it for the social factor, or just want to see more dolls other than the ones they own, so they might not think the same way I do, but in that case I'd be more likely to set up a meet in a library or just a local cafe or something-- not somewhere I have to pay $15 to get in. What do you guys think?
I take all sorts of photos at meet-ups and I always end up taking photos of the venue, especially at outdoor ones... however, I rarely post them here. A lot of the time it's because the doll is obviously not the main focus... which really isn't the point of meet-up threads (you'll often see the more artistic meet-up shoots in the gallery rather than the meet-up threads), other times because people are in them and I don't want to bother getting everyones' permission to post them and other times I just want to showcase the photos I like best. Most people who take meet-ups photos usually get A LOT and can't be bothered editing and posting them all so will choose a select few of the doll photos they really like and maybe one of everyone in the venue if it shows the set up nicely. From my experience, it's not that people don't take photos of the venue, it's just that if they're posting the photos here, you're unlikely to see them. The threads from outdoor meets on my local forum are usually crawling with pictures of trees, flowers, waterfalls, rocks and ruins.
I find that if I want photos of the venue, I'll just go there to take photos, since most meetups are within a comfy driving distance for me. If I'm going to a meetup and hauling dolls in, I'm going to focus on taking photos of the dolls - all the dolls. Some of them might be of the doll with the environment there, but many might be just closeups. I don't want to post photos with people in them without permission, and closeups eliminate that. If I do take "interacting with the environment" photos, they're likely to be all of my doll, and I wouldn't want to go filling up a meetup photo thread with a ton of pics of just my doll - so that would likely end up in a separate gallery thread. Also, most meetups I've been to are not in interesting enough environments for there to be any reason to take photos like that. Many are in restaurants, for example. The one I went to at the botanical garden of course had opportunities for that... but it's minutes from my house, I used to work there, had visited with a doll before, AND took my sister's wedding portraits there, so it was not a huge deal to me. Hanging out with people and seeing dolls I hadn't seen before took priority. I enjoy seeing dolls in pretty environments, but most meetups are more along the lines of "OMG so many dolls!"
I guess I'm used to having a steady meet up group where if we want to have a meet up that just for dolls we do it at someone's house, or a cafe'. However if we decided we want to take photos in a particular place, we go there to take pictures of the dolls at that PLACE. If I take my dolls to Vizcaya, I'm going to set up some photos that let you know it's at a Palace and Gardens location. If I go to Pinecrest Gardens, you will see flowers and trees with dolls. If I go to Morikami, you will see Japanese art and garden style. I can't justify going somewhere special and NOT taking the opportunity to make some interesting doll/location photos. I usually encourage the other doll owners to participate in making our dolls into scenes in a place and taking pictures from different angle to make it more interactive between us. I guess this is all sparked because I saw a couple of threads from meet ups at castles in the UK, and I didn't understand how they could go to such a park and take almost all the photos in front of a blank wall, or all on one picnic bench. I wouldn't be able to do that myself. Even if I can't get up near a landmark, I'd have to do some kind of clever camera work to get something that cool into the background in an aesthetically pleasing way. It seems only natural given the artistic nature of the hobby.
i'm agreeing with Amy that meet ups aren't always the most interesting places. We meet at parks, restaurants, houses, etc. For one thing, if we had a meet up at my house, I know I wouldn't want a panoramic shot of my living room online. That's just creepy. Also, photos of the venue would most likely violate the gallery rules that photos must include (on topic) dolls and not have people's faces in the photos.
I'll have to third what Amy said. Most meetups that I have gone to are uninteresting places. If I go to larger meetups, I might have a more scene inclusive photo to show people interacting with the dolls, but that is very rare. Even the outdoor meets that I have gone to are pretty uninteresting.
the place where the meet i go to usually occurs just isn't photogenic in ANY way. if i could, i'd bring backdrops and proper lighting props with me, but i'm not able to (i have no car so i'm barely able to take 1 doll + my camera and other equipment). sometimes people do bring little props but all my meet-up photos tend to focus extremely on details and portraits because including the background doesn't add anything to the photo, and having people in it detracts from it.
I guess my point is more if you could and did go to somewhere like a castle, or a picturesque seaside boardwalk, or anything, where there weren't a lot of people and you were bothering to take photographs to remember the dolls and the meet, wouldn't you want to take cool photos worthy of putting up in a gallery? I understand if you're at someone's home, it wouldn't be the point of the meet. When I go to a meet at someone's place and it's meant to just be a chance to see new models I haven't had the pleasure of observing in person, I'm going to take close ups of faces, and costumes, and props. But if I get invited to a garden meet, I'm not going to crop out the flowers, statues, etc. But I guess if that's not other people's cup o'tea, so be it.
Locally we organize either meetups or so called "photo tours". The usual meetups aren't in the most flattering locations, and lighting isn't the best either - teahouses, someone's home and such. Even on outdoor meetups we just bring blankets, sit around and there is no way to take good pictures without someone, or someone's food, or some blanket being in the way. Not to mention that a lot of people don't want their face caught on camera, so no 'full group' shots either... However when we organize a "photo tour" the goal is to actually go somewhere really nice and to include the location in the pictures, too. Mostly it's visiting castles, and they seem to be harder to organize (arranging transportation for everyone), but the resulting pics are a healthy mix of location pics, dolly closeups and everything inbetween. Sometimes even little photostories are born.
It's not that common that we have locations that are both worth including and practical to get in the shot. Lighting usually doesn't help either. Having a fast wide lens and a good camera body helps, and a tripod isn't the worst idea in some situations either, since it lets you carefully line up the shot. Here's one from a recent meet I was at. This is about as much of the location as I could include before I'd start getting people and other stuff in the shot. DSC_6092.jpg by otakushots, on Flickr
A lot of the meets I've been to haven't exactly been to the most exciting of places. The last few years, I've mostly been to meets at a library, and there really isn't anything overly interesting in the rooms we meet in. The town is lovely, but we don't usually ramble, either. However, I have been to some meets where the place was as interesting as the group I was with. In those cases, part of the fun was getting pictures of my dolls in the place. We went to a "castle" once, and part of the fun was dressing my dolls in medieval wear and take pictures of them throughout the grounds. I wasn't the only one; the group of us was all over this place. lol It culminated in the most awesome tree ever... If only dolls actually grew on trees... But generally if I take pictures of just the venue, I don't post them on the forum.