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Moldmaking Making mold of body

Aug 24, 2011

    1. The first time I made a mold of my doll's body, she was not detailed and there were no sockets. But now that her body has sockets, I am having a little problem.

      Her whole body is intact at the moment. I want to create a body joint, but I was thinking of casting her body hollow with carving wax first.

      When setting up a mold for her body, do I need to have a plug mold built for each socket? So essentially her body mold would have 6 pieces? (front side, back side, 2 arm sockets, and 2 leg sockets equals 6 piece mold?)

      Or, should I cut her body where I want to build the body joint so there will be an upper and lower torso? Then make a mold for the upper and lower torso separately? In which case the lower torso would be 4 parts still because of front, back, and 2 leg sockets... Same for the upper torso...

      Because of the sockets, I am thinking it might be too hard for me to try making moulage molds. So should I just stick with plaster mold for this?
       
    2. Here is a picture I just took of her body. You can clearly see she has leg sockets.

      [​IMG]
      2011-08-25_02-49-17_30 by Mothi03, on Flickr

      You can also see the line I drew in her middle section where I want to split her body to make a joint.

      With sockets, is making plug molds over the socket the only way to do it?

      Make a mold of her whole or cut her up first then make separate molds?

      Use moulage or plaster for the mold? (kwmelvin, have you tried making molds of torso in moulage?)
       
      #2 Mothi, Aug 24, 2011
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    3. I am making Aalish in parts, so I am making a mold for each individual doll part.
      Martha A-H modeled an oil-clay original, cut that into 6 parts (head, torso, arms, legs),
      made waste molds of those oil-clay parts, then cast carving wax in the waste molds.
      Then she designed her joints, and cut apart the carving wax doll parts at the joints.
      She had cast carving wax balls for the joints in ball molds. She welded balls to the limbs.

      As far as I know, Martha A-H does not give any specific way of making joints in LTBADA.
      She gives some suggestions to keep in mind, then says to experiment, and try several
      different ways of making joints.
      The two main things to keep in mind when designing joints are friction and tension.
      Those are the two things that are working in the joints of a BJD.

      One thing to keep in mind, however, is are you planning to have sockets that have
      a lot of surface area, or sockets that are only going to be a rim, the thickness of
      the body?

      If the sockets are going to have a lot of surface area, then you'll need socket pieces
      in your molds.

      Example of sockets with a lot of surface area:
      [​IMG]
      These sockets will need separate mold pieces.

      When molding the lower torso, my spare would be placed at the top, on the ball joint.
      I would have two sides, and two socket pieces in the mold (4-piece mold).
      Moulage does not stick to Moulage.
      I use Moulage for waste molds, to translate modeling wax into carving wax.

      Otherwise, you can get by without socket pieces, because you will cut
      out the area where the socket is going to be. That leaves a hole that is smaller
      than the ball joint that fits it, and the ball rotates in the hole. The only surface
      area of the socket that touches the ball is around the edge of the hole.

      Hollow porcelain ball jointed doll parts.

      It is a good idea to have shallow sockets if you want a good range of motion.
      Range of motion can also be increased using cups between the ball and socket.

      See the picture of Martha's dolls to see cups between balls and sockets.

      As far as the torso parts, what I would do is cut the carving wax torso at the joint(s)
      then make the joint(s) and make separate molds for each part of the torso.

      So far, I have not made any torso molds with Moulage.
      I made plaster rough shell molds for the torso parts of Carving Wax Test Doll.
      However, I will probably make Moulage molds for the torso of Aallsh.
      :)
       
      #3 kwmelvin, Aug 25, 2011
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    4. Very good point. Now I have to do a some more thinking...

      I am curious how people make silicone molds for the upper and lower torso. Anyone have pictures of theirs or links to some?
       
    5. Thanks Kwmelvin this helps me too!
      It looks like the Enchanted peices don't have much of a socket at all, just a rim like you say, I hadn't thought of it like that before, and of course porcelain can withstand having high stress areas at the joints like that. :)

      That would make molds much less complicated for me anyway.

      Mothi, Twigling has some amazing rubber mold making threads; Parts 1-4 are all linked at the start of part 5 :)) Part 4 has torso pieces.
       
      #5 irandom, Aug 25, 2011
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    6. You're welcome. :)
      The threads by twigling are amazing !!!
      Also, look for the silicone rubber mold making tutorial by Donn Kinney of Bishonen House.
      He shows how to make a 3-part silicone rubber mold of a torso (2 sides and a core).
      http://www.denofangels.com/joints/showthread.php?t=3942
       
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