With two body constructions in the making, I am at a loss now... Somehow I just don't succeed in finding the right materials to construct the ball joints. Not quite sure if it's my lack of experience/skill or lack of the right tools... (I have read some tutorials and I've also done a forum search, but couldn't find any suitable info) I usually work with "Plastiform" as a modelling clay and Milliput Superfine for the details (after trying a variety of other products). Plastiform is a fine papermaché-like clay which I find nice to handle. It sticks to most materials, can be sanded to a very fine texture, and is inexpensive, too. What I've tried for joints: Wooden balls: They come in many different sizes and are durable enough to be actually strung - but I just don't have the tools to drill holes and or saw gaps into such a hard material. I don't think that most of you doll making people have a fully equipped carpenter's workshop, or have you? Styrofoam/Paper balls with layers of sculpting material: This method doesn't work if the prototype is actually meant to be strung. Hand-sculpted balls from modelling clay: Material-wise this worked pretty well, although it's still quite hard making the holes and gaps. But the balls are just not perfectly round... Does anybody make their ball joints by hand or is it just way off? (some of the artist dolls in this forum looked like everything was made from the same material, but the joints looked so PERFECT...) I even thought about casting the balls first, but somehow this makes things quite intricate... Any suggestions would be very much appreciated... Thanks, Evie
RE hand-sculpted balls: I recommend just making a hollow, rough ball (I do this by shaping a three-quarters-sphere around one of the tips of my fingers XD) and then adding/subtracting more clay when it's dry/cured to make it more perfect. I like this technique because it seems to me less fussy than casting, and getting a tolerable sphere-like ball thing is pretty easy for me. The only problem is having to make two or more spheres of the exact same size. ;_; However Paperclay or Premier stands up quite nicely to such abuses as cutting the slot and being strung; never used Plastiform, though from the sound of it, might be similar? Hope this helps.
Try using beads? But they won't have that cut down the middle... At least you'll have a hole to do some stringing.
something that might help --- take a bead around the right size --- make molds of it with whichever clay you like - so each mold covers half the bead, and when you put the 2 molds together, the hollow they form is a perfect ball. let the molds harden. then dust them with talc and fill them with your airdry clay , filling each half a tiny bit more than full then pressing the two full molds together firmly so the 2 halves of wet clay get compressed together. this should give you a pretty close to round ball of your airdry clay ---- let it dry, then sand the pointy bits and fill the hollow bits.... then drill out the necessary holes. this has worked for me....
Thanks a lot for sharing your experiences with me. It's good to know that other people have come across the same problems and that I haven't missed out on some relevant info... saibrrmen: I think Plastiform is very similar to LaDoll, only that you have to add the right amount of water yourself. It is made from cellulose fibres, if I remember correctly. I have tried forming the balls around a short piece of straw, so at least I didn't have to drill the holes. obesekittens: The bead method works quite well, but so far I haven't come across any larger beads. And yes, those beads are extremely resistant against any kind of destructible work... patl: I will have a go at that method. It seems complicated at first, but is probably quite easy in the long run - the molds can be used again and again. I'll let you know how it all worked out.
If you Google or eBay the beads I'm sure you can find them in different sizes. They're really cheap in bulk too. You could always go for patl's method but cut the slits and poke holes in them when they're not fully dry yet. Go for some ridiculously sharp knife but be careful you don't cut yourself. =)
*g* Thanks for the advice, obesekittens. I've cut my hands ever so often being an artist... I've started using a combination of making hand sculpted balls and then squeezing them in the molds I've made to make their shape more perfect. It worked out very well! They still need a little smoothing out. Actually it was pretty easy making the molds. Somehow I thought it would take much more effort. I even found some objects that could be used as makeshift molds such as a coffee scoop which was perfectly sized for the hip joints... (Strange thing is I've even used that method before some time ago for making little teacups from Fimo - and I forgot about it completely...) Thank you so much for your tips!
thanks so much for this thread and the tips on making molds for the ball joints, I am going to try this on my next one this too baffled me and I made some funky looking joints by hand for my bjd doll, probably why it wont stand alone, thanks a bunch for the help barb
I'm using different sized styrofoam balls from Michael's. I cover them in the clay and then make the holes while it's half dried, and then dry completely. Followed by rakingout the foam when they clay's hard an thick enough.
@FenrirWolf I don't even remember actually sculpting joints back in 2008 - or posting my woes on DoA … Gained a bit of experience since then, but still looking for perfection …
@FenrirWolf I'm sure that someone in this forum can make good use of the info, thanks for sharing the links.