Issue with Kazakai

I'm sorry to hear that, maybe you can get a hold of her by posting on this Forum
Hope that helps!

 

I would disagree that you don't have a case. You paid for a service, entered into a verbal contract, and that service was not completed. Said contract was broken. As a general rule, if in a disagreement with someone you are told by them that you "don't have a case", you shouldn't listen. Do your own research on your rights and the law, don't allow the opposite party to inform you.

I am not involved in this transaction, so if this is off-topic, I apologize.

 

This is deplorable, and I can assure you, you DO have a case. This is effectively theft by deception- you gave them money for a service, and they did not provide that service.

Unless there was an aknowledged agreement that payment was non-refundable, then they have no case... and even if there was such an agreement, it would still be pretty shaky.

If you paid by a credit card or paypal, I suggest you get on to them about getting a refund if you can.

 

I think you may still have enough time to dispute the funds send by paypal, if you open it now. Good luck.

 

Why on earth would you want to stay friends with someone who stole money from you and told you you had no case in which to get it back (which is a blatant lie!)?

File a Paypal claim for any money you sent at least, and I would try sorting out getting money back for the rest of the stuff also.

EDIT: Did you manage to get the heads back at all?

 

Here's proof I do have all three heads in my posession at the moment:


(Er, I guess I should have taken this next to a newspaper? 8D; That's my lap, anyway.)

On my end, I am willing to paint these heads, but I feel that with the combination of my low skill level and the amount of schoolwork I have right now, it would be a better situation to leave them blank and get them out to Seasons as soon as possible. I told her that if she really wanted me to paint them, it would take at least a week for a single head, and that because I didn't take this commission on myself I couldn't make any promises - and she said she just wants the heads home. Which is completely understandable.

So I will be cleaning these three heads up (Kazakai did offer to do this himself when I saw him this weekend, but I said I'd take care of it) and shipping them out by tomorrow at the latest. As far as I can tell there are no damages. The repairs as I was told of them by both parties have been done.


As for me not shipping on Friday. The time of the text message I sent comfirming I had her boys is around 11:30PM. Obviously, the post office would not be open at 11:30pm on a Friday night.
One could argue that I could have shipped them Saturday morning, but the PO closed at 2:00pm that day, and I simply didn't have time to get there (I was at a friend's house and had no way of getting back to campus and the PO myself).
I can't ship today because of my class schedual and because the heads need cleaning (No, my being on DoA long enough to make this post is not an indication that I also have time to wait in line at the post office)

Me mentioning that my father is a lawyer was to indicate that I have a pretty firm grasp of the legal situation. Because there was no contract filed in writing, the most the police can do in this situation is retrieve the heads. That's what I meant by that statement. I could (and probably am? 8D; ) be wrong, but honestly, because I'm friends with Kaz the thought of him getting into any sort of trouble with the cops freaked me out. I said things that should not have been said, and I do feel ashamed for that.

Just wanted to clear my part in this up. Please note I am clearly not Kazakai and that I do not owe Seasons any type of money or service. I have not been paid by either party. The only reason I'm involved in this at all is because I'm dumb and was trying to help a couple of friends out.

 

sorry to stick my nose where it doesn't belong, but...

Verbal contracts are no less valid than written ones; they're just harder to prove. As for the police...Celebare is right in that the most the police can do is retrieve stolen property. If you want your money back, and the PayPal/CC claims don't do you any good, then your next step would be small claims court. Since you're in the same state, it's definitely a feasible option.

good luck!

 

She has taken alot of money from alot of people, please, do not hesitate to file a small claims if she will not return your money.

 

Yeah- you need to get on to getting your money back ASAP from Kazakai. >_>

 

Excuse me, but why are all these outsider comments being allowed in this thread? I thought the rules stated that unless someone is directly involved in the transaction, they aren't supposed to be commenting. I've had my own comments deleted for similar reasons.

Just, you know... for the sake of fairness.

 

"Around the next day, Celebare begun to accuse me of wanting to copy her chiwoo, Henry's faceup and that I forced this upon her."

Sorry, but if anyone started flipping at me wanting to copy their doll, for whatever reason, whether I stated I wanted an exact copy of her faceup or not, I wouldn't have sent the heads in the first place, nor would I want to continue any friendship. Anyone who sends nasty messages over a doll is no friend of mine.

I do not know the whole story though, and I'm not SFC, but if Celebare would like to explain this and correct me I do not mind, I don't know Celebare personally to judge her, but if what SFC has said is true well, you know how I feel about it.

I hope everything works out and you get your heads back and learn from this, I hope you'll learn from this at least. I know how you feel SFC in some respect, trust me. And I'm not trying to spread hate against either of you.

 

Why are we allowed a thread to be posted about a banned user?
All the comments here have been trying to help her in retreiving the heads/money that rightfully belong to her.


SFC- maybe the police can help you get the actual cans of MSC back from Kazakai if money was not an option. Thought if you paid with a CC you should be able to call the CC company and have them do a reverse charge.

 

This is a bold-faced lie. I NEVER said this to her. This is absolutely ridiculous. What she wanted for her dolls was nothing at all like Henry. Why on earth would I have said this?

 

Kai did not say it either. Kai would not need to say it. You're lying about so much in this post, but sadly it's our word against yours, and we all know how that's going to go down

 

“Febuary 2007 I sent Ame and Reila (chiwoo and woori) to Celebare to be painted. She agreed to do it. However when the boys got there, I recieved a rather nasty message on my phone saying that I gave her no notice they were coming, which of course I did. Around the next day, Celebare begun to accuse me of wanting to copy her chiwoo, Henry's faceup and that I forced this upon her.”

This is a lie.

“However, that was when x_kazakai_x came into the picture, we had been friends before with a few fights yet at the time everything between us was fine.”

Also a lie. Kazakai was originally supposed to do your dolls’ faceups, remember? Then you two got into a fight, so you decided to send them to me in order to ‘get back at’ Kai. THE SAME DAY I received your doll heads, you demanded I send them to Kai.

“I had also bought epoxy to fix my woori's lip”

I was talking to you at the time that this happened. You bought him apoxy and MSC because you wanted to buy them for him, not because he had asked for it. Because you wanted to buy it for him. Therefore, that should not even be taken into account in your financial calculations.

“She said that she had completed the faceups, however didn't like how they turned out. So I told her to redo them, she refused because I had filed a police report and wouldn't leave her alone.”

I would have too. Do you realize how many faceup artists have a ‘no-redo’ policy?

“Now tonight, May 13th/14th 12 am (aprox.) She got online, I asked if she had completed Kasumi's faceup. She responds saying that she is not the right person to have it done. And they would ship monday or tuesday.”

I also told you that I would still do them, but it would take time, and you told me to just mail them back. So this has no bearing on anything.

“However, I do not see how she simply could not have shipped them friday if she was not going to do a faceup.”

Because by the time I got them it was too late to go to a post office.


Either you have poor memory or you're lying One of the two.

 

Okay guys, unless you have any further updates to the situation, please take it to PM. Thanks.

 

unfortunatly, seasons tends to be forgetful and mercurial. -_- it is entirely possible she isn't telling the truth, just what she thinks happened. in all honestly, I would take this with a grain of salt. I will also add that sometimes she can be very confusing to understand in her excitment, and confusions in communication could have happened that way.
I am only adding this because celebare is a very honest girl, and seasons can be more then a little frustrating to work with, and it would be very very unfair to ruin her reputation because of a girl who does change her mind about something more often then her outfits, and is very prone to panicking over nothing.

 

This might get her back the money she paid for it, however Kazakai would still have the ill-gotten MSC and the company she bought it from would be out the $42. The goods would still effecively be stolen. And now I'm going to back out of what looks to be a bad situation...

 

All three heads have been sent. They should arrive tomorrow or the day after. I do believe that means my part in this is through.

 

To clarify - Ame still had a half-completed faceup, but the faceup on the Shiwoo was present before Kazakai ever recieved him. Seasons asked me to leave it alone, so Kazakai is not to blame for the condition of that head.

The white was apoxy from the repair job Seasons asked Kazakai to do, so... I'm not sure what to say about her 'scraping it off' :\

 

Wow. I will never send any piece of my doll off to anyone for any reason. Things like this make me sad to be a part of the community. We're all just adults playing with dolls here, trying to take part in something we love. Unfortunately, such an expensive hobby is a breeding ground for people looking to rip innocent people off. Just goes to show how careful one has to be these days.

*Disclaimer- It's impossible to tell who is right, as it's one word against the other. I was not blaming either party, but making a general statement about the situation. Whoever's lying, you know who you are, and it's time to grow up.*

 

I'm deleting my last post, since things seem to be mostly resolved. I'm glad you got your boys home safe and sound. Also, Celebare sounds like she'd be a wonderful person to work with, if she'd go to so much effort to help someone out like this.