Fairyland MiniFee MNF discussion part 34

I recently got the Model Legs and I'm super impressed with them! My new girl was standing on one leg like a pro, no sueding or any assistance at all! Here's a link to the picture since she's nakie and headless x) http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2810/9078903773_f2b38311d0_c.jpg

 

Thanks so much I am happy you like it! I really love the sleeping heads, I just think they look so cute and it is nice to have the extra head I think. Currently Ico is the only one with a sleeping head, however my new girl Xyphos will have one too!

Wow that is such a cute set and so well made. I have tried to sew a MNF bra but I am finding it really hard because it is just too small! So I really adire the work gone into that set! Plus it looks great on your girl.

 

This is my opinion but...model legs are the best. xD I've had them and prefer them. I ended up getting a Celine on cutie legs, and...I just disliked them so much. She couldn't stand very well, I assume due to the bow-leggedness. I also prefer how the model legs look. I actually, unlike Trinity, think they are more older looking simply because they seem more like a womans legs. The cutie legs, though taller, seem..well...cute. Like the little bow-legged cute for a girl. Of course that's two different opinions. If you want a girl who stands like a rock I would suggest model legs. I love, love, love them. I don't have to suede her or anything.

 

So the M-lines have magnets? Interesting. This means my A-line Chloe with her M-line bust will have magnets? :P I wouldn't mind getting her some wings to wear.

 

So apart from the hands and feet where do the M-lines have magnets? I am a little confused? Have I missed something?

 

Back, someone mentioned their m-line has blue stains on the back and another said they might be magnets (and I think it was confirmed that they're magnets after all)

 

I see, so do they have the magnets? Does any one know?

 

Yup, they confirmed it in post 291. The M-line has magnets in the shoulderblades

 

Right OK, I did go back and check. I must have missed it the first time round. I did read that someone had a problem with stains but must of just missed the reasoning. It does seem strange that they have them though. I can understand it if the original doll needed them for something.

 

I know, I think it's weird too. I kind of hope they aren't there, really... I have no use for them.

 

I think it's great they have magnets, makes me wonder if they plan to make wings or other accessories in scale for them in the future That could be a very fun option

 

I don't think I would be fussed either way, unless it looked really bad. I have no use for them with this character though, although I can see how others might.

 

I have been a littlefee collector for a long time. All of them have magnets in the back, so you can put wings on them. Just like the magnets in the head so you can put horns on them. It makes it easier to customize. Since the magnets are embedded into the resin, you can see the magnets through the resin backs. It's a little unsettling to me that the resin is so thin in those areas, but what can ya do ?
Funny, I just got my first minifee, and DIDN'T realize they didn't have the magnets in the back yet. I haven't had time to check. Just the other day I was thinking, this Halloween wouldn't it be nice to add a pair of butterfly wings to my new Margo Lyn !

 

Ah well I read that post but it didn't sound like they were definitely magnets to me, more like faeryfae tried to clean the marks and they wouldn't move so faeryfae just assumed they were magnets. If faeryfae could try something magnetic to see if it reacts and can confirm they are indeed magnets that would be handy.

Not saying they're not, it sounds like they most probably are if they're in the shoulder blades.

 

Lol, that's what I thought they were confirming. I'm confused now, could you confirm again, faeryfae?

 

It did sound like faeryfae was confirming they were. I'm guessing they are definitely magents, because the Feeple60 bodies have magnets too. They've been out for a while, without any wing parts being released for them. The only wing parts ever released from FL were event and fullset wings for LTF and PKF. So really you'd have to go to SOOM, Bambircony, or Leeke if you even wanted wing parts which is just odd that FL would add it at all. It's handy for people who like the option but for everone else it's mostly just an ugly blemish on our doll's back. I hate it and I'm really frustrated about it tbh. I wish they'd at least make it optional. The amount of people who have use for that are significantly less than those of us who do. It bothers me with MNF girls especially because I like the look of their bodies and sometimes like to do artistic nudity with them, plus I have a few backless shirts. It's just an eyesore for me, and when I had a LTF it bugged me like crazy.
Here's how the back of the Feeple60 boy body I had looked:
http://i1347.photobucket.com/albums/p712/rainy_mori/F60body2_zps63414d9e.jpg (nudity)

/sorry for ranting

 

Yes I also just checked and those are magnets at the back of the Moe body

 

I think you have a valid point since FL do not currently have optional parts for their dolls and it is a little worrying that the resin is thin enough that you can see them. I know recast MNFs you can pretty much always see the magnets in the hands, but it is less common with actual MNF hands. I know on mine you can't see them at all. I have seen it on LTF since they are much smaller to be begin with though. Thanks so much for linking that picture, it is helpful in seeing what to expect.

I can sometimes do nude shots of my dolls too, and a tattoo cover up is not always an option. Although I can see how it would make it easier if you did want to add wigs and things like that. I am not sure how much of a problem it is going to be for me personally since, my doll is going to have hair covering her back for the most part. However I am probably going to have her in skimpy clothes and corsets and things like that, so it might end up visible on the actual doll.

In a way I wish FL would let people know that they were going to be there, just in case it would be an issue for the customer. If you are making an informed choice when buying then it is no big deal. However the first shots and stories about how the M-line bodies are all came after you could no longer buy the doll. I can see why such a thing would not cross our minds when buying since MNFs don't have them.

 

I'm a little annoyed at the magnets too and wish they were optional, or something, or at LEAST had thicker resin there, since they know the magnets are visible. The girl who I wanted an m-line for (although I didn't order it this time around, but I can wait) is one who likes backless shirts u-u;;; We'll see though...hopefully it won't be too much of a problem...

 

Magnets are something that have been on FL dolls for a LONG TIME now. I feel like thinking you wouldn't be getting them is more RARE then actually getting them at this point.

Fairyland stated some time ago (I believe when the c-line were originally released) that they had hoped to create more interchangeable fantasy parts for their dolls in the future so all of the dolls have started coming out with magnets for the wrists, ankles, shoulder blades, top of the heads, and the tail bone area.

I do not have my m-line yet so I can't confirm how the calf pieces are, but I do know as well on the c-line and the F60-F65 they have the rings in the calves to change out the lower leg easily as well.

These are all meant for functionality to express the design FL is going for in the hopes of later moving onto interchangeable fantasy parts. I doubt they'll ever make them optional and I feel like at this point you really should just expect magnets to come with the dolls since it's really been no surprise that every other release has had them too :\ It's not like it's a new thing...

**Edit for a quick tip**

If you feel the need to remove the magnets for whatever reason, try popping the body part in the freezer or use paint thinner to get the magnet out. That would get rid of the gray area that the magnet sort of shows under the thinner resin. Not a hard fix to do if you absolutely hate the magnets y'know?

 

Also they are plastic toys. And a quick retouch in photoshop would get rid of those marks easily in photographs. A body blush to paint over the magnets might work too.

 

That would be awesome!! I would actually get the wings for my LTF instead of my MNF, since I personally think the LTF wings are too small.

 

I can understand people being... irked by the fact that the magnets show through the skin - I do think there's more they could do to avoid that (stronger magnets so they don't have to be set so far into the resin), but as it stands it would be pretty easy to blush over those spots to hide the magnets. I did that with my littlefees and pukipuki dolls with a simple coat of paint and pastel. Impossible to tell the magnets are there.

Personally, I'm thrilled if the magnets in the back are actually a thing. I love fantasy accessories and that would make me super happy.

 

Well, the point is not exactly what "we" can do, but what FL could have done? Popping the magnets out will leave the back probably very fragile to big falls etc since the resin is thin enough that the magnets show. Some people can't even have photoshop on their computer (like me, my computer is too old for it, it can only handle light programs like SAI), so for some people, photoshop is not an option.

It's nice to see they want to (maybe) try doing fantasy parts and all, but a bit thicker resin wouldn't hurt them or us >.>

 

Most doll companies that have magnets in the shoulder blades of their dolls have visible magnets. I don't think anyone is going to knock on Volks for resin quality and you can clearly see the magnets in the backs of their Yotenshi. It's a doll feature that you just need to accept, like seams or visible jointing, and if you really hate them that much, all you have to do is blush/paint over them. I don't even notice them on the dolls I have with internal magnets.

All of Fairyland's releases of new lines and updated bodies since the original Minifee move over have included magnets in the bodies for optional fantasy parts. I am not at all surprised the Moe body has them and would have been more shocked if they didn't.

 

I agree with the thicker resin for sure!

Also, for anyone looking for good FREE and accessible art software just go to http://pixlr.com/editor/ - internet photoshop. Bam. (Also I think Shlee mean "photoshop" as in "photo editing" software - which really, you could use microsoft paint to edit something simple like slight discoloration in a photograph without much difficulty. You don't need photoshop. SAI also should work just as well - also painter and art rage and the many other softwares available both for free and for money.)


Slipping in some spam to make up for all the chatting!


Evening light by Resinlings, on Flickr

 

Except a thicker resin might block the magnets that they use. And regardless, if the doll tumbles and lands back first, even with the magnet there (and especially with it there) the resin could break just as easily in those parts. Leaving the magnet in or taking it out isn't going to change the amount of resin in that spot and its fragility. And honestly, we're all aware that these are dolls; toys, made out of a certain kind of plastic. If someone sees a back magnet, they're going to just ignore it because they know it's just part of the doll's manufacture, not assume it's bruises or anything of the sort. Every time I see visible magnets I just ignore them and pretend they're not there because I know they're not part of the doll or their story unless stated otherwise. I doubt there's very much FL can do about it, and if they're hoping to increase the amount of fantasy parts available for all of their dolls, then it's easier to just include the magnets as a default rather than make it an option someone has to choose. Especially if a person sells the doll to someone else who wants the fantasy parts, even if the original owner didn't.

 

FL doesn't have to do anything they don't want to with the dolls they make though :\

The magnet "issue" has been an ongoing thing for years now, and they're well aware of them showing. FL does what is easiest for them, and most affordable in a sense. When they're pumping out handmade dolls as often as they do they have to create a system that is not only, affordable, effective, and easy to maintain, they have to make it sure everything still works too. Handmade dolls have defects, it's a given, and incredibly unavoidable when you're in a hobby like this one. The only reasonable magnet problems I have seen is when the resin is so thin you see the actual physical magnet and with pictures and a polite message to FL, they have been more then willing to help out those who have had the issue. I rarely see anything sent out that FL wouldn't consider perfectly normal for industry standards.

Like others have suggested as well, if you can't afford to photoshop out any markings, or viewable magnets, then blushing is another easy option. Blushing isn't hard or expensive at all, pastels are easily affordable, and they have many usable sealants readily available to use with a simple search here on DoA.

 

SmoteyMote Your Siean is as beautiful as always ^ ^ Also, thansk for that link! It's so awsome and cool ;A; My computer almost crashed but it was still very cool >3<)/

As for the blushing, I like handling my dolls a lot, so it would scratch easily I'm afraid. As for "ignoring" them, that's up to the person really. Stronger magnets is a solution to the "thicker resin might block the magnets"
(yo-sd dolls are almost half the size of MSDs)
I'm not saying they should do what they don't want to, but the fact they don't want to do anything about it kind of...speaks for itself, imo XD;

Also, should we consider everything "industry standard" because FL does? ...

 

It's not that they don't want to do anything for it, it's that they most likely CANT unless they want to change a process that works for them and stress over something that otherwise seems to be no issue for the people who continuously purchase their product.

Like they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

There are complaints from a slimmer majority then the mass majority, so if they see that the people who are continually purchasing their products without too much complaint, they are not going to see an issue. And most recently a lot of people have abusing their ability to call on FL to help them with "issues" which really are not that bad in the first place. If you are honestly so upset with the purchase, you have the option of passing on the doll to someone new and going to a different company. :\

 

About magnets that most other companies do... they don't even try to hit them in the resin =/
Just big ole giant silver circles in the back SO visible.. I like that at least FL (and some others) try to hide them under the resin so it is not as prominent.

 

I didn't buy an m-line (I think I mentioned that?) yet but I'm just saying that thicker resin wouldn't hurt them or us, is all. To you (and the majority as you put it), the magnets showing might not be an issue, or an issue easily fixed etc, but there are people who think it IS an issue that needs to be fixed and the solution is so easy, it's laughable that they don't want to do anything about it, because I dobut it's about their ability to do so. (I mean, what would the issue be with making the resin there thicker? Them being lazy to do so? I guess...)

"There are complaints from a slimmer majority then the mass majority, so if they see that the people who are continually purchasing their products without too much complaint, they are not going to see an issue."

This is actually the biggest problem with big companies, lol. No matter what they do, nothing will get fixed, because there will always be people supporting them.

I actually prefer the "glue on" option. I can have the magnets there, if I want to, or not, if I don't want to.

 

Deleting to avoid drama; turn the other cheek am I right?

 

Industry standard is something common among a large swath of doll companies and yes, the fact that there can be a slightly visible discolouring where magnets are in the shoulders is industry standard. The magnets are embedded in the resin so they do not stick up or leave holes in the back and since resin is a plastic that's not 100% opaque, you're going to see them. I really do not see what the big deal is. I cannot believe people are complaining about something so trivial. There are several easy fixes and if a person is unwilling to work around them, then that's really on them and not Fairyland.

And for the record, Yotenshi are about the same size in the chest as Minifee, have much thicker and denser resin, and actually weigh more.

 

No, nothing will get "fixed" because if they listened to every small complaint every person had, even if only one person had a problem, no one would be happy, because there's always something SOMEONE doesn't like. So they would change something and then someone else wouldn't be happy.

This isn't about people supporting/whiteknighting them and them going "well screw you!!", if the issue was absolutely terrible and they refused I'm sure people who "support" them wouldn't agree with them not fixing it. But it's a magnet that shows in the back...

Also it's not "industry standard" because FL does, it's industry standard in a LOT of dolls. People complained about snowflaking and made a big deal about FL dolls but that was happening with Soom, Luts and other dolls for years.

 

Kim I wasn't talking just about the magnets really, but I've seen FL call other kind of things "industry standard" too.......

Rinoa We all know I think there have been more terrible problems in the past, and people still supported FL... :/

Also, Luts? I don't know about Soom (And I've heard they have their own problems too), but no. Luts has NO snowflakes at all. Their resin is smooth like a baby's butt! *shot* Or well, my JDF has a little rougher area in the chest, but that's only when you touch it and is no 'snowflaking' problem.

 

@ FL Magnet topic - Personally I didn't think about magnets because my sole experience with FL has been with MNFs. I have seen some of their other dolls in person, but since they belong to other people they have been clothed. So I didn't actually know that it was something that they did. I can see why FL would do it, however this is one reason why I wish companies would show nude pictures of their dolls and state that they have this kind of things when you buy them.

I don't just get annoyed at FL for this, because party I am really glad that FL will have pictures of the dolls head without wigs. Which not a lot of companies do. So sometimes I have no idea what their ears are like and things like that.

 

Shailara - I said that was happening with Luts. Not that it still is. I never had that problem with mine, but some people I know reported there's had snowflaking. And snowflaking doesn't feel rough (unless you're thinking I'm referring to pot marks that FL dolls had, cause those were bad, but that's not what I mean). It's a few or more snowflake marks you can see in certain lights.

I will say however, that although there seems to be people who will defend FL no matter what (which is silly), there does seem to be people who will jump on any chance to complain about them any chance they get.

 

As far as I can tell, it doesn't seem like anyone is really furious with FL, and no one has threatened boycotting them or insulted their quality and customer service. We know that it is just a magnet on the back. It sucks but I'm sure those of us who don't like it will figure it out, and of course we still like them!
I just was saying that personally I kinda wished they were an option we could check off....
I don't see why opinions in this hobby always get interpretted as company bashing. And as an aside, I don't see how this should have been "obvious" because welp they weren't on the original MNF.

 

Has anyone noticed that their new FL dolls are slightly different in shade than their older ones? My Siean heads are definitively more pinkish than my other FL resin.

Yes, yes, yellowing. But I am very careful with my dolls and the type of light to which they are exposed. And I'm not just talking about my older (more than a year) Fairyland dolls; I mean one that I got over Christmas! I think they may have altered their mix, just slightly?

It's nothing that blushing won't correct. Heck, most of my heads look darker than their bodies because of blushing. I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed a difference, or am I just a bit nutty?

 

Rinoa I mentioned the rough part as the only non "smooth like a baby's butt" part of my doll, not that it's snowflake or a problem (just so I wasn't lying really LOL). I've never heard of Luts having that problem (except if they were Delves which were casted by CP), but you've been in the hobby far longer than I. Still though, Luts fixed it, FL didn't... :/

Like Arvanah said, it's not like we're trying to insult/wtv FL, we were just saying what we wish they had done. And I also don't see how it should have been obvious Arvanah XD;; I was surprised to hear about it, although I did find it interesting. Interested to see what they come up with for the fantasy parts~

 

Lyzrd: They do seem to be pinkier than before. I don't know enough about the resin coloring process (and by enough I mean anything at all lol) to guess what could cause that.

 

I will agree that maybe they should have stated the M-lines have magnets in the back, since it isn't obvious. I was surprised to hear about it. And I suppose it does make you wonder why it can't be an option, though there's a lot of things that aren't an option for "managerial reasons".

ETA: I'm not sure why I'm being singled out here (I didn't know Arvanah was referring to me either). I never said people were furious or boycotting FL, I was just talking about how it's difficult to please everyone, and that someone will always have something to complain about. I'm not sure what the "no one has threatened boycotting them or insulted their quality and customer service" part was about since I never mentioned anything of the sort. I just said it works both ways. Yes there's the supporters who won't listen, but there's also the people who like to complain or jump onto complaints to bash the company. It was a statement, not an accusation.

Lyzrd - I noticed this too! My LTF Nanuri Faceplate was much pinker than hands I'd bought at the end of 2012. There was no way they could have yellowed that much. The difference wasn't too noticeable but yes, definitely pinker.

 

Whew! Thank goodness! I was wondering if my eyesight was going funky on me. :P

The downside is that the girl of my Siean twins will now be on a body that's a significantly different shade than her head. Unless my Juri '11 doesn't like her incoming M-line body (for the record, I'm stupid excited about the magnets), in which case she'll end up being lots shorter than her twin brother. :P

I swear, I will take pictures of the two of them (the Siean twins) eventually. But I'm still waiting on their eyes to show up, and I have no idea what hair either of them will have... and it'll be at least a month before I can get them in with my favorite faceup artist...

 

Lyzrd - Can't wait to see your Siean twins! I'm getting two Siean heads too in different skintones.

 

Rinoa I wasn't single-ing (is that a word?) you out .3. Just in the latest posts, I was talking to you XD

 

No I meant I didn't understand why both you and Arvanah took my post to mean that any complaints are company bashing, as I never mentioned that in my post. I just said it works both ways. Some people will defend them to the bitter end, some people will jump on any chance to complain. I wasn't saying people who complained about magnets showing are those people (whether I think it's a big issue or not), just that there are some that will come and jump in on any complaint to show how they hate a company. I guess it got interpreted to mean anyone complaining about magnets is one and that's not what I meant. So yeah, I apologise.

 

I am just going to say I am not singling out any one, I am also not mad or upset about any one's opinion in the matter. I am just saying how I personally feel on the subject and that is all. I am totally cool with people not sharing what I think either, I will not take it personally at all. I can understand where people are coming from on both sides.

I am actually happy people are talking about this and posting pictures, it is actually really helpful to me.

I also know that people will defend FL no matter what they do, and there are people who will use any excuse to say something bad about them also. I also know that people will also do neither.

 

@Lyzrd: FL resin is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get

 

How new are your Siean heads? Even without real "yellowing" I tend to find the FL resin "mellows" from when you FIRST get it and within a few weeks or a couple months it's mellowed out to a bit of a creamier and less pink color. So it might just be that your Christmas doll has 'mellowed' and that since these are so new they haven't yet.

 

Rinoa Oh I'm sorry, I didn't take what you said that way at all, I was just agreeing with Avanah that we weren't doing that, because I thought, people were thinking we were doing so, to be getting so defensive...

 

Rinoa: I just sent you a PM hun. It's not directed right at you at all. But basically I just felt like this thread was taking a road I'm very familiar with in terms of people getting super defensive of a company they love, and I just wanted to make sure people knew that no, we're not that upset with FL.

 

Everything is sorted! XD No worries.

 

I am happy that everything is getting sorted. Thank you to everyone who has been providing the information on the new bodies and I do look forwards to more photo's. It has all been helpful, and I am happier to find out now that they are going to have magnets rather then panicing when it got here.

 

True dat! Now I have time to consider what I want to do in terms of covering them up, or just get used to the idea, etc.

 

That is what am thinking at the moment. I might see how bad it is when the doll gets her, because if the hair seems to cover it up, I will be much less bothered. I might think about tattoo's also since she has them on her face any way.

 

For those who don't like the magnets in the back, you could always try blushing over them to hide them instead of doing tats. or maybe you could try removing them but that would mean unstringing the doll. I myself love the fact that they come with magnets already in them. Less work for me

 

I'm with you guys on this! I was surprised to hear of it, but now I have some time to get used to it. My LTF have magnets and it never bothered me on them because I knew they would be there.

Erin would like to proudly show off her new shoes (and so would I, because I made them for her today )


New shoes! by WennieBJD, on Flickr

 

More pool pics, anyone?



"The water looks so nice but pretty deep... I don't think resin can swim " she says.

 

I think I will probably just consider designing some tattoo's if it bothers me too much since I do very much like tattoo's any way. Ico should actually have a few tattoo's but I have not actually have the courage to put them on the doll. I will one day though! I also don't think the would look odd because she is meant to have a thieve guild tattoo although that is on her foot so I am not going to bother putting in on the doll and with her having facial tattoo's it wouldn't be a big deal her having extra. I have not shown the characters back in art work any way so it is a easy change.

Those shoes look really cute, you did an awesome job!