Fairyland Chic Line clothing, shoe, and wig database - Useable vs. REALLY FITS

Here is the link to Fairyland's measurement chart

There are “fashion doll” owners who are buying the Chic Line dolls and they already own stuff to try on these new beauties to share with us what is useable and what really fits them.

Since it is possible that not previously resin BJD owners will gravitate to these fantastic Chic Line dolls and come seeking information in this thread, I will make some statements that are redundant to us with resin doll experience.

Cautionary notes concerning footwear:

Even if “X” brands of shoes/boots can be put on a Chic Line woman’s high heel foot, please be very careful when you test having the doll free stand while wearing the items. Just because the item can be put on the foot does not take into account all of the factors necessary to make them a correct fit and still allow a Chic Line woman to perform the poses depicted in Fairyland pictures.

My customary cautionary note about how “forced on” footwear is a major danger for damage/breakage to foot connection systems and ankle joints because of the force necessary to remove overly tight footwear is not as relevant for Chic Line dolls. Since their feet are attached with magnets, one might presume the worst thing that could happen is the foot/feet becoming stuck in too tight footwear and might incur damage to the footwear in extracting the foot/feet.

Also keep in mind that if you utilize any VERY SNUG FITTING footwear on your doll with no room for stockings or socks, you will increase the odds of the footwear staining your doll’s feet. The material itself and most especially the thread used in assembling the footwear should not be left in contact with your dolls extremities for very long. Most particularly in the "fashion doll" world, boots are known to be demons for staining.

Disclaimer: all replications of an item are bound to have variations within the same size for finished products. The item you possess and attest to fitting in a certain way maybe smaller/larger in some places than the “exact” same item in another person’s possession.

Regardless of the source, contributors who try an item on their Chic Line doll and post that it fits well need to substantiate their fit statement with clear photographs, front, back, and side that show the items actually on the dolls and to specify any modification enacted on the item to make it fit as seen in the photos.

Please be very specific with your adjectives to describe the fit, i.e. tight/loose, too long/short and in what location, easy/hard to get on/off, standing room only or can the doll sit in the item, in/out of scale, etc.

Since we all have different criteria for what is an acceptable fit for any item, we should take the pains to be supplying the most detailed information possible so others can make “educated” buying decisions.

....Mod Notes:.....

Part One discussion:
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?368145-Fairyland-ChicLine-40cm-Discussion

Part Two discussion:
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/showthread.php?466960-Fairyland-ChicLine-40cm-Discussion-Part-Two

LittleFee Heads on ChicLine Body:
http://www.denofangels.com/forums/s...ds-on-ChicLine-Body....&p=6552850#post6552850

Fairyland News and History: Good for finding out about Event items:
http://dollfairyland.tistory.com/

 

Well I am not going to stick my neck out until I see pictures as proof, LOL

Within the measurements Dollmore has supplied for their dolls variation exists:

Chest 18 – 21.5 cm
Waist 11 -11.5 cm
Hips 17 – 20.2 cm

Here is a link to a metric conversion site.

For my money I would not even be sure their clothes fit their own dolls in the same way.

My friend has a pair of the zippered boots from the same manufacturer as those in the Dollmore shoe link you provided. She says they have to be wiggled on and off her Tyler foot which is definitely what I term a ‘forced on and off” footwear item. I have no intensions of risking such a thing with my Chic Line female.

I am all for questioning, especially after I perused the following information.

Here is a link to a site with the “fashion doll” Tyler’s measurements.

I am not in a position to attest to the accuracy of those measurements with the exception of saying the doll height is right on. So Tyler at 16 inches is 3.64 cm/1.43 inches taller than the height Fairyland has given us for their Chic female.

There are sufficient other variations between what is in that chart for Tyler and what FL has given us as Chic Line measurements.

Here is a link to Dale Rae’s sewing hints in which you can view a measurement chart which has both the Minifee and the “fashion doll Ellowyne”.

Link to FL measurement chart

 

Amen!

I certainly will not be subjecting even my Chic's FL make up let alone a customized face up to the needless risk of toppling face first for the sake of a photo in footwear I know does not fit correctly.

 

From my years of experience with Leekeworld boots/shoes, adult styling or not, I believe that Leekeworld has made their boots/shoes in the “D” size category to fit their own “D” size of dolls and Volks YO dolls as they have stated. To what degree any styles of boots/shoes really fit the feet of the stated dolls is open to question without actual proof photos of each style of item on the specified doll’s feet.

FYI: Leekeworld boots/shoes are fitted to flat feet for the SD doll size range. There are numerous Leekeworld SD size range of boots/shoes, with high heels that fit the feet to one degree or another for several brands of SD size of dolls, look great on in scale; however, the doll’s ankle will not flex enough to allow for the tilt angle of the high heels and therefore the doll is canted forward so much so as to not be able to balance for “free standing” in the footwear. I know this for an absolute fact because I own many SD size of Leekeworld boots/shoes and own several brands of SD size dolls for which this is the case in reality.

I do not own Leekeworld “D” or Volks YO size of dolls. I do own FL LTF dolls and Volks YO/Dollheart YO size of boots/shoes and they “fit” the LTF primarily because of the LTF ankle width (5.0 cm) and even with socks are some too long on their feet in reality. The Chic Line ankle width is 4.3cm, which is between 1/4 and 3/8 inches narrower: that alone would lead me to think YO fitting stuffs will swim on their slender looks. I will demonstrate the fit of my YO size stuffs on the Chic Line flat feet as soon as my girl arrives.

For footwear items, my fit criteria is based on the doll mentioned actually being able to “free stand” in the specified footwear item and the item being constructed in a way to facilitate staying on the doll’s foot. Even if those first two criteria are met, regardless of the purchase price, I still do not want an item that is out of scale in looks when being worn by the doll.

I think your mentioning of the width and length are critical in this smaller scale of feet on these more petite Chic Line females. A single or couple of cms does not seem much on a ruler but it sure can be way out of wack for looks in reality. I have spent a tidy fortune learning just how off it can actually be in looks for several sizes of dolls.

Once I see my Chic female, the fit of her full package footwear selection, and her naked flat feet, I will be able to decide whether I am willing to ginea pig it to drop the bucks for trying Leekeworld anything YO size range.

It really will not be much longer before dolls are in peoples hands and we can end the speculation and have some positive proof.

 

IngieBee - you are so right about the huge difference in 8mm and 6mm eyes.

fossilangel is not the only one who is royally ticked off about FL’s not protecting the face of their Chic Line doll with a face guard. The bubble wrapping dislodged my Dark Soo’s eyelashes and I had no choice but to remove her eyes and redo her eyelashes.

I am quite competent at appling eyelashes; however, let me tell you this small of an eyelash for this small of an eye opening was a challenge deluxe.

Since I happened to have an 8mm pair of the Glib eyes in the same color as my Soo’s 6mm eyes, I took a picture of the two sizes together. Lighting is not perfect but you can at least see the difference.



hyschara - 8mm Glib eyes will not fit in the eye wells of my Dark Soo. It would take quite a bit of reaming out of the eye wells to accommodate 8mm size of eyes.

 

I always find it to be the very devil to get the lighting just right to show the detail in black clothing and also have the detail of the face be perfect. I gave up and settled for the clothing detail so it would be clear which top and which skirt these pieces are from the separates line for the Ellowyne doll.

I am not positive but I think this is the same Ellowyne lace top that Dreamyraven mentioned as fitting her large bust Ino. It is a loose but quite acceptable fit for the small busted Soo. The skirt is a tad shorter on Chic Line than it is on Ello; however, I would make this length for this style of skirt, not to totally cover the footwear, for my Chic Line girl anyway.



Two more pictures of LTF sleeping Ante playing grown up on the Chic Line body and wearing the Ellowyne “Multiple Tears” complete outfit.




Dreamyraven posted a comparison picture of her Ino boot and an Ello short boot that had a similar heel height. The boots from this Ello "Multiple Tears" outfit have taller boot shafts with the same heel height as Soo's FL boots. They fit the Chic Line feet and body with cutie legs and the body can "free stand" in them; however, I certainly would not leave the doll unattended standing in these boots. I am told that heel heights vary with the Ello footwear so one should not jump to the conclusion that ALL Ello footwear will work for these dolls.



At the moment I cannot recall the name of this Clea Bella outfit blond bomb shell Soo is wearing here; it was always a favorite of mine because the pants did not fit skin tight and my “fashion dolls” could sit in them. The Chic Line body is definitely broad in the hips so pants from other doll lines might not fit as well as these pants do. Also note that the top is made from strech velvet and that thickness of fabric combined with the cross over front style does fill out her bust more and since the top is actually a body suit it is also filling out her hips more in width.

Soo is also wearing the shoes from that outfit. The Chic Line arched foot is a tad wider than the feet on most “fashion dolls” so it is not likely that all “fashion doll” shoes/boots are going to fit Chic Line.

This fur wig is a size 5-6 and definitely too large but it worked as a test of looks for frontal pictures only.



I have been out of the “fashion doll” scene for so long all of my stuffs for them are buried in my doll room. This outfit was handy as I recently bought it for an upcoming gift giving. The hat is too big and the collar is way out of scale for the neck and shoulder area of this Chic Line body but it does give testimony that some Tyler clothing will be able to be used for this body.

The Lady Soo is wearing the complete outfit including the shoes from a Tonner Monica Merrill “It Girl”

 

IngieBee I am not sure about which shoes you are asking if they came with Soo.

Dark Soo full package came with the red boots we have already seen in owner pictures.

The black cuffed with partial front laces and zippers in the back boots pictured with the Ello "Multiple Tears" outfit being worn by Ante as a Chic teen are the boots that are part of that complete outfit.

The white with navy trim sling backs worn in the suited Soo picture are the shoes that comprise the complete Monica Merrill outfit and just happen to be wide enough and soft enough to mold to Soo's foot with a heel height that allows her to "free stand." This is a recent Tonner Tyler size outfit.

I have been told that Tyler shoes have changed in their shaping some in the last years. Sandals with the one piece base that were like the ones from the Ready to Wear Tyler dolls do not match the Chic Line arch shape and are too long at the back heel so look way off.

I have only begun to analyse the boot/shoe issue. A lot will depend on the arch shape and the heel height and especially the slant of the shaft for boots.

 

I agree with you about the fit of Monique wigs in 4-5 size as fitting the Chic Line.

And, I think red hair would be awesome on your girl too.

 

To begin my report on YOish size of shoes that are USEABLE for the Chic Line flat feet, I will give you a comparison shot of the ankle and foot from LTF and Chic Line. You will note that the Chic foot is longer, narrower, less thick, and Chic also has a much more slender ankle.



My model for the next pictures is a LTF Ante sleepy face plate on the L connector head back on Dark Soo’s small bust body. The underwear being worn is from a Tonner Ready to Wear doll from the past. The top is some too wide in the shoulders and the panties are over wide in the crotch. This over wide in the crotch is another indicator that pants from the Tonner line might not fit as smoothly in the crotch area as one would desire.

Next is the fit of a pair of Volks brand YOsd shoes with a sock made to fit LTF and gaps at the ankle, and then again barefoot so you can see that YOsd are definitely wide for Chic Line flat feet.




Next is a pair of Dollheart YOsd shoes and the same is true for the fit of these shoes as is the Volks YOsd selection.



Next is one Dollheart Yosd boot and a FL LTF boot. I prefer the more compact and less bulky look of the Dollheart boots for my LTF over the FL boots.



Next is an inexpensive oxford sold by the ebay seller 2debsadorables from her 10” Ann Estelle section, which many people use for their LTF dolls. They also are some wide but the length is good.



Here is a loafer style tennis shoe also sold by the ebay seller 2debsadorables from her 10” Ann Estelle section and again used often by people for their LTF dolls. Wide again but good for length.

 

It had been put forth that YOsd footwear was going to work for the Chic Line flat feet so I did my usual have to know tests.

Thanks aznbutterfly for telling me the information I posted was helpful.

Size 6-7 would cover her whole head and be a hood, LOL; 5-6 are way too big; 4-5 are the best fit that I know of presently for the Chic Line.

Monique are about as standard as standard gets. It has been my experience that there are always some variations in the sizing for different styles of wigs within any one manufacturer’s line up.

And the wig styles marketed by Monique that are made with synthetic mohair fiber are the best for drape and natural looks, IMO.

morganatron is absolutely correct about the fit of size 4-5 Monique “Marianne” style wig. I have it in the brown/black color. I also have other styles of Monique wigs in size 4-5 and they fit nicely too.

FYI, doll sellers, nine times out of ten, finesse the wigs in one way or another that are shown photographed on their dressed dolls.

From the owner pictures we have already seen of Ino and Rou, their wigs out of the package are not identical to the looks of the wigs on the dolls shown in FL pictures. The bangs on my Soo’s wig are not nearly as perfectly cut either.

The odds are, if you had bought the full set of Lishe, her wig out of the package could well not look as nifty as the look you LOVE on her so much anyway. The head band in the full set outfit is “taming’ her wig and you can get a better idea of what it might look like out of the package in the underwear outfit pictures.

Some people have proposed the Dollmore size 4-5 wigs as an alternative. Dollmore fashion doll heads are slightly larger than Chic Line and even in Dollmore’s pictures their wigs look some bulky on their own dolls. I do not feel I would be happy with the look of Dollmore 4-5 wigs on my Chic.

 

Since the Chic Line was released, the burning question has been if Chic Line can wear the Tonner Tyler footwear and/or other brands of 16” fashion doll footwear.

The answer is Yes and No.

A lot of the fit issue depends on how tight the shoes fit on the doll they were made for to begin with, on whether they are assembled on a shoe base or more modern style made like human shoes, on whether the shoe uppers are made with “soft” or “stiff” materials, and if the item was made to fit with or without hosiery.

The more modern ones (shoes and boots) made for the Tonner Tyler line of dolls that I have here to try on Chic are an acceptable fit and Chic can “free stand” in the items with varying degrees of stability depending on the thickness of the heel portion of the item.

The following comparison shots of a Tonner Tyler foot and a Chic Line high heel foot should clarify the whys of how specific items could or could not fit Chic Line.









This particular pair of sole base shoes from a Tonner basic doll’s lingerie set happens to work. Even on Tyler not all shoes made on this style of shoe base fit Tyler in the same way. It depends on the style of the uppers of the shoe as to what will work for the Chic Line females.





Soo Jin is wearing the camisole from a Tonner basic doll lingerie set. The fit of Tonner lingerie items on Chic Line small bust body is very loose in the shoulders and bust. The back closer was pulled tighter and pinned for this photo session. Could be such items will fit differently on the Chic Line large bust females.

In the discussion thread, it was asked whether the Dollmore fashion doll shoes would fit the Chic. I replied there and the following are photos as proof of my statements.




Caution: Please folks do not force your Chic Line feet into shoes when they will not slip on naturally, most especially if the shoe/boot uppers are made of stiff material. You certainly do not want to break off any lovely toes just because someone says a shoe/boot fits the Chic Line. Remember there are variations in every replicated item. The pair they have could fit but the pair you have might not fit.

 

People are having trouble keeping FL default wigs on their dolls, especially Rou’s wig.

Put a piece of double sided sticky scotch tape on the head back and their wigs will stay on.

Take the tape off at the end of a play session.