Hello everyone, I was wondering if there is no easier way to move my doll's eyes than to open her back and move the eyes from the inside. I'm not that good with putting the wig back on, so it's always a hassle and I rarely move her eyes at all for that reason So I searched for different "tools" but none of them look like they're perfect. Do you have a specific technique or tool? I'm not gonna withhold my research. I found out about the "Dollfie Dream fitter" (Youtube Link) which doesn't seem to work that well. Also something that seems to be a self designed "Dollfie Dream Adjustable Eye Mechanism" (Youtube Link) which looks promising but really work-intensive (you have to glue it inside the doll's head and it's also not in 1/4 size which I would need). Searching further I found this "Eyemover" (ebay link) and I'm not sure who made it? It says it's only for 1/3 soft vinyl dolls anyway, but the structure might be interesting. Sadly, I couldn't find any other BJD specific tools for moving eyes. Is there really no perfect solution for (1/4) dolls? I even had the idea to use a vacuum pen meant to hold small electronic parts for soldering (picture). The tips are small enough, however they can only hold a weight of either 3 or 18 gramm depending on the size. I wonder if it would be sufficient to move the eye? Maybe with some kind of sponge like the dollfie fitter? What's your opinion? Or maybe you don't even care about opening the back of the head? I'm curious to know
Unoas come with an optional eye mech, which allows the eyes to move from side to side. I never installed it. I've also seen a yosd sculpt (mango?) that has a lever in the back of the head that lets you move the eyes. Other than those, I haven't seen mech or tools to move the eyes from the outside. The e vac pen sounds cool, how would you work with the sticky tac?
The pen reminds me of a contact lens plunger. Not sure if it would work with eye putty/tac but they do still sell those plungers at pharmacies.
i don’t want to sound discouraging but eye mechanisms are really tricky to make, and even harder to make work well. this is not to say that you shouldn’t try, but if you do, take your time in planning and don’t get frustrated with yourself. i have personally only made one for a doll (workshop thread) but have worked extensively with eye mechs on puppets. that said, i recommend widening your search results to include ‘puppet eye mechanism’ because it might provide some more varied inspiration to draw from. about existing mechanisms, the ones i have seen available for purchase (pretty much limited to the ones mentioned already) are either very flimsy, have a limited range of motion, or are completely unusable. the mech on unoas are really fun to play with, but only go side to side and have a fixed focal length. same with the dollsbe sculpts with eye mechs. you have also brought up a very good point about the tools used to actually move the eyes. again, there is no perfect answer. in stop motion eyes are most often moved by stabbing the eye with a sharp xacto knife praying it doesn’t gouge a chunk out. i personally have tried stick erasers, silicone bits on a dowel, and the dream fitter stick. honestly none of those tools could touch the xacto in effectiveness. i’m sorry that i couldn’t provide a more comprehensive guide, or even a single trick that will *chef’s kiss* work perfectly every time, but such a thing simply doesn’t exist. yet.
@anjamd The evac pen isn't meant as a single solution as it would not work with the sticky tac. It's rather an idea instead of the pens they use for the dollfie fitter etc. The unoa eye mechanism seems pretty cool but I think it's not possible to include it into other dolls, is it? @Elomina Actually I first came across the contact lens plunger. However, their surface was way to large for a doll's small eyes. I searched for similar tools and stumbled across the evac pen. @c4tbus Oh, you're not discouraging. As you only speak the thruth which I'm aware of Maybe "perfect" is a too harsh word, but it would be "perfect" for me if I'm able to install it and it works the way I want. Even if it doesn't "move perfectly" but the rest is fine, for me it would be perfect I think most normal puppet eye mechanisms are too complicated and too complex for a small bjd. As the eyes don't have to move together, there doesn't have to be some sort of lever for easy handling etc. But well, I surely don't know as much about them as you do I have an idea which might actually work. I'll try it out today or tomorrow. I want to 3D print a hollow Hemisphere. Large enough that the eyes fit in. On the inside I'll glue a stiff foam (I'll have to try out which length is optimum). On the back side of the eye, I'll glue a hemisphere the same size as the eye so that it is a ball.The eyeball is put inside the hollow Hemisphere. The hemisphere will be glued into the doll's head with sticky tac. There should be enough so that it won't move if a slight pressure is used to move the eye. The eye should be movable from outside with the help of a tool, e.g. a vacuum pen. What do you think, will it work?
i hate to break it to you but stop motion puppets normally top out at 17 inches, and have proportions closer to fashion dolls than standard msds. i have also personally worked on eye mechanisms (including animatronics) in puppets that are very small. so don't discount that as potential inspiration before you have checked! also, i say 'perfect' to really emphasize that there is no one ideal way to go about moving eyes, all of the current methods (that i am familiar with) are in some way flawed. i just want to inspire you to think through what you want out of your mechanism, and try to identify potential failures before committing to a plan. about your design, it is a good start, but i think you might run into some issues with moving the eye with your suction tool. if the foam and hemisphere combo is pushing the eye against the resin, and holding it tightly enough that it won't move freely, a suction tool would likely only serve to draw the eye tighter against it's eye well. maybe adding a small piece of compressible foam against the back of the eye well? that way the eye will have somewhere to go, and can release itself from the tension of your cup to make it more mobile. if that makes sense?
I have seen someone who, instead of eye putty, fills the dolls head with melamine sponge/magic eraser. This presses the eyes to the eye hole, but is soft enough to be compressed. The eye is then adjusted from the outside with their finger.
I have tried to make an insert inside the head with the blue/white silicone mold paste. It works perfectly to hold the eyes and they are moveable when I try moving them with the whole thing outside the head. But when inside the head, they're isn't much grip on the eye (small eye opening) and I can't move it anymore. those little lens plunger look good although I'm afraid it's too big for eye opening (and it's a SD doll...), I may try the vacuum pen, didn't know about these, thanks !
If it's the movement i think it is, I think I've seen some people try it with blu tack, aluminum foil and air dry clay. What they did was make the eye into a perfect sphere using air dry clay, sit it in a bowl made with aluminum foil (sometimes cushioned with a bit of cotton), then stick in the doll head using blu tack. They then used a toothpick with a bit of blu tak to move the eye from the opening. If you're still interested, i'll try to find a video demonstration.