This thread made me want to edit my pictures as I have previously abandoned for lack of ideas of what to do and since I was starting to go off topic I was suggested to make a critic thread~ I am more looking into help for the editing and less for how to take the pictures as I am already trying to work on that ^^ I used what Ara* said in the thread linked above. Before After What do you think ?
The main question is - what are you trying to achieve by editing your image? As you already seem to know - you should have a solid digital original to work from. This one...isn't really that strong. Mainly because of your focus and the fact that there is alot of unmanageable flyaway hairs in her eyes. The colour of this doll's eyes is really the main impact of the photos, the grey scarf is a perfect compliment to it and the eyes should be where you focus your camera and where you concentrate on the correct lighting, catchlights and exposure. You seem to want the image to be over-exposed and soft-focused or selectively focused - is that correct?
as stated before, this isn't photoshop, but you need to start with a photo where the focus is correct. Focusing the scarf really puts the face out of focus, and though you redeemed it a bit by blurring the scarf, you still loose a lot of detail on the face that you could have had if you would have focused on it from the beginning. That being said, as a result, this whole photo ended up being very soft, border-lining out of focus, so it makes it difficult to rest the eye on. You can probably go in with just the sharpening brush on a low pressure and bring the face out again. Next, your color balance is off. I'm not sure if you did that intentionally but your photo is very yellow, so you can go in with color balance and move sliders around to get away from the yellowish tone. With that, if you were going for natural color then your levels are a little off too. You really could darken the blacks a good bit. As a style filter, I really don't find the yellow that flattering. We are trained in the doll community that yellowing is generally a bad thing, and as a result, making your doll look yellow through editing can really hurt a photo more than help it. If you want me to go do a video walk through of reediting to show you what I'm talking about and how to fix it, I can. It's just a few simple steps.
Zagzagael: I was trying to save the picture by trying and focusing on the face instead of the scarf, for the rest I was trying to follow what had been written in the thread which I assume is over-exposition. Knibitz: Thanks! I'll try to figure it out but if it is no trouble for you a video would be awesome ! I'm sure others could use it too ^^ I'm wondering why this picture came out softer then the first one I made, even though I did about the same thing.Though maybe its because now the scarf is blurred so there is nothing sharp enough to catch the eye, like you said xP Is the before picture too yellow too ? I added some red and purple to the second one trying to take off the yellowing but I do not understand how it would have made it more yellow :O? The picture I had posted in the thread linked in the first post: This one I added lavender and yellow.
Here's a quick re-edit I did on my work computer (I'm at work right now XD I can get away with a quick Photoshop fix, but I can't do a video walk through here LOL) Is that kinda the direction you were hoping to go?? If not, let me know and I'll try and see if I can come up with a way to match what you want to get.
Yellow and red are both warm colors, so the red would add to the feel of it being "yellowed". In order to remove a yellow cast, you add blue to it.
Larin : Thanks! I think I read that somewhere, but never thought it would work on photos *feels noobish* Knibitz : That's exactly it! You're awesome I can now see the difference in color and sharpness, I'll have to see if I can do it with other "better" pictures as this was one I really wanted to "save" since it's the only one I had of it's face that was not blurry xP
I'm always open to learn new (though I'm sure they are not that new) information! I am currently trying to find things that could help with taking better pictures, though it is very slow so I try to do what I can with whatever I have in hand at the time I decide I want to have a photo spree... I love what you did with it :O! I was wondering if I should add a border, but did not think of cropping it, I never seem to know what would make it better or worse xP
I feel a border "finishes" an image. Cropping can improve or detract from an image! I felt the flyaway hair was distracting. What kind of gear are you using? Why are you having issues with focusing? No worries on the "yellow" - all digital images need post-capture colour correction applied in software.
I'm using a Point and shoot, a Canon PowerShot A480. For this picture I took it in daylight, which I rarely can do since I am mostly at home at night, most of the time I use any light I can find and baking/tracing paper to make it less bright. As for the focus I have no idea how I can do it with my camera, I go with luck taking as many pictures as I can and picking up the none blurry ones, shaky hands do not help xP For the color I'll need to be careful which screen I use, I have 3, since they all have different ways of showing the same color, that may explain why I did not see it in the above pictures, until you guys edited it :O
Ah! I think my buddy has a similar camera. I had it's "big brother a few years ago, too. XD Using a tripod or anything to stabilize the while you take the shot helps with blurriness. I'm not sure how your camera works, but you can try focusing on your subject's face after you put it on Self Timer. That way you have minimal camera shake from shaky hands. Taking many shots is a good idea, since you should save the best ones and delete the rest on your computer. The problem with that line of camera is that they focus on ...many things. I believe it has to do with camera's system, but it autofocuses on the oddest spots, usually ones with some amount of contrast. What camera mode are you using? As far as I know, the only way you can focus on one point if if you use something like Close-up, or "Flowers and Plants" mode, but it adds a yellow cast to everything. Also, what kind of OS are you using on your computer? I know Win. 7 has a screen calibration mode, which could help since your screens seem to have a tint.
Sadly I think I cannot choose where it focuses, though I do occasionally use a tripod, as I most of the time have to take pictures from the floor in small space it is more of a hinder then anything else xP That should be taken care of when I have more space, but for now it is hard to find places I can put it on so it can do its job. I've checked some websites about my P&S and they all seem to say focus is automatic, which is very sad and annoying :/ I do not use a preset, I do it manually, though I do not change much from the "default" settings except when I change light settings or from Macro/Normal, I sometimes how bright/dark the image is (I assume that is exposure ? ) but I do it rarely as I cannot really know how it changed the picture until I add them to my computer. I am on Win.7, but I think it is more because I am on a Laptop, maybe ? I've noticed that my laptop's color are similar to many screens, though maybe a little bright, while my others screens have higher contrast and brighter colors.
Got around to making you the video. Hopefully that helps. [video=youtube;IanZn5TKz8s]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IanZn5TKz8s[/video] As far as color calibration. Yeah. It's all going to depend on the company who made the screen. If you're looking at photography being a serious hobby or a job, then a "true color" monitor is really what you need. Macs are so popular with graphic designers and photographers because of this. A mac has very true color and a mac is a mac is a mac is a mac. I can take my photo from one mac to another and it's going to look the same regardless, unless it's hooked up to a non-apple display. From the reviews I've read, I've chosen samsung as my laptop of choice because I need a PC as a back end web developer, but reviews were saying that the samsung laptops had very true color, and now having owned two, I can say that I agree. Having take my photos from my laptop onto the macs at my university, I found that my colors weren't affected. If you really want to have your screen calibrated correctly, you can invest in what is called a Spyder (I believe) which is a device+software that will accurately calibrate your display for you. Internet browsers also have slightly different coloring of photos as well, my photos actually look different between chrome and firefox AND when I see them in photoshop - however, it's not drastic. Most of the times it's just a little less saturated or contrasty. It's just a battle we have to deal with on a daily basis XD
It took me an awful long time to read/watch and comment on your post Knibitz! Sorry about that XP I've been looking up how to make the colors match on my screens and though I did it for drawings and not pictures it's going not too bad, I am waiting to be prepared financially before getting a mac since my photo taking coincides a lot with my graphic/arts hobby/job and it really would not hurt to add it to the reasons why I need a mac. I did not try what you explained in the video but I learned some pretty nifty things and I cannot wait to get some practice into it. Ex.: Burn tool. I never saw the utility but seeing it in action was amazing! The only thing I could say was a little hard, which as nothing to do with the photo editing, actually, is that you have a very soft voice and even at full speaker I needed to concentrate a lot to understand. Oh! And I love you for making the video. Thank you very much for all the help Took 2 months to say I am done with the questioning, now to practice and get better at photo taking/editing~
Ah...the joys of insomnia...I can't get to sleep, so I'm poking around and finding cool older threads. I know you said you've moved on to doing, which is fabulous, but somebody else with insomnia might be interested in the thread and I had a little different take on the problem/solution. I think it's a gorgeous photo. Could the focus have been better? Yes. But the intensity is fabulous and the focus issue is fixable. I had two main problems that I focused on, other than working with the same issues the others have mentioned, re: the white balance. 1) White. Avoid it like the plague because it's gonna pop out of the image. My eye goes toward the bottom of the image because of the glaring white, not so much the focus of the scarf. The pale grey on the side is also a problem, for the same reason. 2) The focus absolutely must be the eyes; I totally agree there as well. Which means the points of greatest contrast need to be there...hence the addition of reflection. It was tricky getting the reflection in just the right spot, and I'm not sure I have it quite right yet for that straight-forward focus, but I think it gives the idea. BTW, I used the clone brush to pick up the paler tones in her face for the reflection, not white. That ties it in better with the image as well as avoiding the evil white pixels. I cropped severely to get rid of all the white, both on the side and bottom. (I actually blacked out a tiny section of white at the bottom to keep the sweep of the scarf in there as well as keep the image from getting square. I then selected the face and eyes, feathered the edge, promoted it to it's own layer and did a slight gausian blur on the lower layer. I used the burn brush on the lower layer, fairly large, soft brush tip, to push the scarf, the bit of neck and her ears...oh, yes, also the pink on the side, solidly back behind her face. I did a white balance on the overall image to cool it down, very slightly brought up the overall red, and added highlights to the eyes. Mostly, I just had lotsa fun! Thanks for letting us play with your pretty picture.