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Dolls made in the US (NEWS 2006.11.21)

Oct 4, 2006

    1. Okay, so I looked around and didn't see anything of any substance on this topic. So I'm personally planning on making my own style of Ball-joint Doll and have drafted designs for the various parts. Now I was wondering if he turned out well, I was considering making a mold of him and then casting him in resin. I've found resins (a normal skin and a snow white ^_^) $94-$114. Then I'd have paid to make a mold that may not get much use ever again. So my thought was, if he looked good, would people be interested in a US made doll? Is it only the asian-ness of it, or is it something more.
      There hasn't been anything to date that I couldn't tackle and then conquer! So here is my question.

      Would you ever buy a US BJD?
       
    2. I don't live in the States, but absolutely, if the face sculpt and quality was good, and also if the price was reasonable, I'd totally buy from a US supplier ;) I really don't care where they come from, I buy what I like, and what meets my standards :)
       
    3. I'm not sure where the people who made some of the dolls on this forum are from, but there are a handful of dolls made by english speaking people on these boards, who have been cast and sold to others on DoA ^^ so I would def consider it if I liked the style of your doll :D I don't care where the doll is made, just as long as he or she is a style that I love :)
       
    4. There are people in the use who are casting dolls and/or heads in resin. It's just that it's not that common. But I've definitely seen them, and they are all amazing.

      If you do your own I'm sure people will be interested. Whether they buy or not will depend on if they happen to personally appeal. With so many people on these boards, there should be at least some interest!

      Definitely go for it and see! :)
       
    5. So far this is good news. I haven't had a lot of sculpting experience yet, but my artistic perspective and knowledge of the human body will likely come in handy. I'm doing my research, and I'm going to have to do a lot of research and work, but hopefully he'll be out in 2007. I'm actually going to offer (in the future if all goes well) a few variations on the traditional doll. Like an Elegant corpse powder blue body (inspired by Tim Burton's Corpse Bride) and maybe an Onyx body like that of a Drow (Dark Elf).
      Of course that's all if I even sculpt the body well eneough!
      I need to find out how to make the hollow sectiond of the doll. That's what's perplexing me!
       
    6. Well, what about the Bishounen House? He is in Maryland and makes and sells his boys. So I think you could do this and they would sell definetely. ^__^ So yeah go for it! ^__^
       
    7. Oh and this might help with the "hollow" question. ^__^
      Link
       
    8. As long as it looks good!!!!
      God... my wish list will get even more scary...><
       
    9. Make a minifee sized corpse blue fae with pointy ears and wings you've DEFINITELY peaked my interest :lol:
       
    10. Well, I don't know about any mini's yet, but he'll actually have a more proportionate body... by a slight degree. I'm basing it on a sort of half-elf type of body. I'm hoping to make him under 60cm. Maybe around 55cm. Simply because he's an elf and more likely to have a shorter stature.
      By the way, thanks for all the replies so quickly!
       
    11. i totally agree, for me it's the face that grabs me (yeah, i'm that shallow!) also hearing feedback from other buyers is useful as well as seeing what they have done with theirs in terms of face-ups etc.:lol:
       
    12. well, I have a unique artistic style with my anime-ish style drawings, and I want to capture a bit of it. Theres not much of my artwork online, except a few pictures on my deviantart.
      http://jrockheaven.deviantart.com/gallery/
       
    13. I personally am not fond of American styled things (eg clothes ) and if you live there you would obviously have that influence. So for me, personally, I probably wouldn't be interested.

      But that's just one person's tastes! I think if you could make an attractive, quality doll it would be popular.

      I think I have seen quite a few people asking for links to US made doll websites. The few available ( BH, Leibchen, Matilda etc) are relatively hard to get hold of, but are definately loved.

      Basically if the doll is nice it will sell! Good luck!
       
    14. a corpse blue dollie? where do i sign up? that would be *awesome*! good luck with it!
       
    15. I would want a great face, nice torso and excellent joints/flexibility. If you had those features, I would purchase one.
       
    16. I personally only own a Dollshe Hound at this time, so his joint system is influencing my design a little. I've encountered several different houses of and bodies of dolls and each have their merrits and flaws. Some are really pretty and stand well, but have limited flexibility and difficulty sitting upright. So it's my hope to create a doll body that's very functional. But that will take some serious work! Luckily I have a very logical and anylitical mind. I just know that when it comes to sculpting the doll, casting the mold, and poring the resin, I will understand why they cost so much!!! Apparently to get a really good cast I'll need to get a Vaccum chamber, and they're about $150, the resin is about $100 per gallon, and the mouling process will also be somewhat costly, though I don't know how much. And then theres what some people say that some of the dolls when they're cast are ruined because they didn't mix right or something went wrong. This is a comforting thought!
      But as for faces and head molds, I have a very good eye for what is attractive, and can probably produce a face that will be loved by the few, if not the many.
       
    17. Oh and the torso!
      I spent a few hours last night looking over men's bodies for different muscular styles and builds and tone. I swear! Homework was never that much fun in high school!!! The torso diagram that I drafted is deffinately hot and will grab people's attention. I'm hoping for it to be both soft and strong. A lean small build. he is going to be an elf after all. (To quote Janet Weiss: "I don't like men with too many muscles")

      But I wonder. How far is too far with reality. If you look at most of the BJD on the market, there is a degree of separation from reality in their form and face. I wonder where I will land.
       
    18. For me it would completely depend on the sculpt. If there were a doll I liked and it were made in the US... OUTSTANDING!! :) All the better to save shipping fees.

      And if it happened to be a doll that didn't have some interesting/appealing feature about it, I probably would be more likely to, I don't know, adopt a poor waif from the marketplace forum :) (I'm such a sucker for a lonely face...)

      Oh god... then I just read the word "elf". Color me doomed.
       
    19. i'm going to be watching this closely, it's beginning to sound very interesting....
      i was going to buy a few bodies to dye pale green and golden for elves, a blue one also sounds interesting......(a bit like emily in the corpse bride shade of blue!?)
      i can't wait to see photos'! :D

      Just seen your next post below:
      Drool!!!! Me want NOW!
       
    20. hahahaha!
      Yeah, the first model will be an elf. I'll hopefully be making 2 faces. A high elf and a drow.
      I've wanted to make a drow for a while. I was actually considering getting a doll that had seen some hard days afor cheap and fixing it up and making it beautiful again. But people love their dolls and this would be easier!

      For those who don't know what a Drow is:
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drow
      http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG103.jpg
      but the D&D Vampires are so hot!!! (Ver 3.5) You just have to drool at the posibilities of a doll that looks like that. You know you can just squee till you die over it! But then I've always been attracted to the dark side.
      http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/MM35_gallery/MM35_PG251.jpg
       
    21. Well, because dye is a universal science (basically) I could do bodies in most any color. (Provided the time to order and recieve the dye)
      I just want to do things that others maybe haven't. It's my nature as an artist to tackle things in a different way and to look at things from different angles.

      NOTE: This is in the beginning stages, so it'll be a while since I'm practically broke and can't (yet fund such a venture. (though I could get some clay and start sculpting... I'm not totally broke)
       
    22. Do check out the Artist's section on this forum for ideas as to how other dollmakers are going about their work and joy.

      Coloring resin is rather difficult for deep or intense colors, but if you wish to go that way, there are tips on that aspect, too.
      Not because you can't get colors and dyestuffs, but because the resin may come out splotchy or swirly or irregularly in other ways, even though it may have been mixed quite well.

      Look up also the materials used by others and their properties.
      Everybody has her own preference as to how a sculpting material should feel, behave, and look. Hopefully the descriptions will help you find your ideal sculpting material.


      Current US dollmakers in the abjd-styled dolls are Bishonenhouse and Fancyboots.

      Good luck.

      Ann in CT
       
    23. I'd rather buy a doll near my country which is in Asia. The nearer the shipping the lesser..it would be:) or if they had a shop lang in HK, that would be good. But yeah I want to know how US BJD would turn out too:lol:
       
    24. liebchen from fancyboots is a us doll and she has been very successful !!!
       
    25. I have a Bishonen House boy on my wish list so country of origin deffinatly isn't an issue for me

      although I wouldn't be very intrested in a body under 60cm personaly (all my planned dolls are taller at around 70cm+) I might be intrested in just a head though :)
       
    26. I am interested in buying a US made doll as well, so long as I like the sculpt. I really don't think a hound size is for me... But it seems like most of the dolls that get cast on this forum are either tiny, hound, or don't appeal to me. x.x' I want an American made doll for Lestat, acctually... that's why I was looking a BH, but he would be so big compared to my minis. XD

      What did upset me was that in BJD Orbyrarium they only mentioned Fancyboots in the list of doll companies... No mention of BH at all. It made it seem like Liebchen was the ONLY US made doll sold in high quantities... But, then again, they left out a few companies. (DZ, anyone?)
       
    27. I've sort of written off buying any further dolls... I sort of stopped at 5... otherwise I'd buy just about anything with a pretty face.

      But, yeah, if it was appealing enough to me, I'd certainly get one.
       
    28. This is hilarious. Okay, so I originally planned my boy for between 55 & 65 CM, and my draft (according to it's scale) would only be about 40-45 cm!!! Ayayayayay!
      So needless to day, I'm a bit belumoxed by that simply because I made a draft for a 60 cm female and she turned out more like 70 cm!

      Scale is a fun thing to design with when you're working with individual pieces!
      Thank god for Photocopies and Math!

      I actually might be able to get started soon with sculpting. The only problem is that I want to get opinions before I start to cast anything. So I wonder how showing off a blank canvas would go off (i.e. showing an head-sculpt master instead of a cast resin version)

      This is going to be an expensive venture in the beginning.
       
    29. ^^ If it were up to par with other BJDs and I liked the mold, of course.

      But really, it has to be up to par. I'm not insinuating yours wouldn't be. Just let people see the head before you start paying for materials and maybe take pre-orders too. A lot of people will compliment what you make but still not be interested in buying it.
       
    30. I think it's a little unfair to lump art and design from an entire nation together under "American styled." Of course I've been accused of doing this to other countries, too, so I guess it all depends on where you're standing. *sigh*
       
    31. I would buy it..if the sculpt was good.I like to browse through this swection of the forums and see what everyones doin anyway. I really like elves and seeing as your planning on doing a Drow is ohh so tempting. (as badly as I want an elf)
       
    32. So I'm almost to the sculpting stage. I'm going to make a few different head scults to start, along with my initial torso sculpt.
      I have several drawings/diagrams that I've done to give me a good idea of where to go with it. I'm going to go over them with a friend and find the best of them to start with. At first I was having trouble making my front face match the profile, but slowly they began to merge and both look rather attractive.
      The best part is that I can get the basic head sculpt, bake it, then sand and refine from there.

      Now heres what I'm wondering:

      Can anyone send me picures of your doll's jointing systems and give critiques of the system's advantages and disadvantages?

      I'm wanting to make the best system that I can. As well, the various ways that the head is kept in place. I heard that Delf has outmoded S-hooks for that purpose and i'd like to also find out about that aspect.
      For images and information, please email me at [email protected]
       
    33. i'd buy if he's cute
       
    34. no, piccies yet (will work on it)
      i'd like to see a mini size body (44cm ish) with those nice double jointed knees so that they can kneel withwout showing elastic! (i can't remember the companies name with the pic on for SD size 60cm, sorry)
      (tensiya?)
       
    35. So... I'm curious... are you planning to do a lot of practice dolls? I wouldn't reccommend immediately trying to work towards a marketable product without ever having sculpted even a small practice doll.
       
    36. oops sorry if I caused offence...

      it wasn't my intention to label absolutely everything that comes from America to be American styled. what I meant was, her doll will likely have an American influence (she did sort of imply this herself). Like dolls in different countries will show the nationality through how they are dressed. It is a subtle thing. I can often recognise British doll's from photos (maybe that's just the dull lighting though haha)

      In general the country of origin is evident in artist's work. not always of course, but often. that's all I meant.
       
    37. I completely understand the enthusiasm, in fact, I occaisonally entertain the idea of getting a BJD cast or casting it myself, and look forward to being able to do that one day. Not to burst your bubble or anything though, but honestly, DON'T expect your first product to be marketable. Especially since you've never before sculpted something like this. It'll take hellacious discipline, patience, an asston of sandpaper and/or exacto knives, and patience, and patience. Sense of proportion helps, and I trust you have it - but artistic talent in the 2-d spectrum really only goes so far. I don't mean to brag but I like to consider myself quite very talented as far as goes drawing and painting - And then when I tried a BJD head, the first time around, it was a horrifying case of elephantisis.

      Good luck though.
       
    38. Oh my gods that's great!
      Well, I'm not entirely unpracticed in 3-D design and sculpting, I just haven't done much in a while. Late last year I made a Clamp styled Feather insense burner with scalloped edges for a present. I've also done independant studies of anatomy and can easily match up proportion to scale diagrams/blue-prings (minus the blue)
      I know my first pieces won't necessarily be marketable, that's why I'm going to make a few different head sculpts and one finely tuned body sculpt and see how that fares. Worst comes to worst, I'll have a few pieces that i can play with later.

      As for the Elephantitus, I'd love to see pictures of it.
      Oh, I remember something that i sculpted several of, little scull beads and a Skull & Crossbones belt buckle for my YURA-sama PLC Frontiers Oni Version costume!!!!

      These aren't great pictures, but it shows I can replicate something that i see 3-dimensionally
      [​IMG]
      (I took a picture today to show more detail. These are unsanded and last minute)
      Also, the smaller skulls are about an inch tall...
       
    39. I'm stalking you now, just because I'm interested in seeing what you come up with ^0^

      I had an intense sculpting class, and I got really good but didn't enjoy it, so the thought of making a BJD scares me XDDD
       
    40. I have to ask... how is a sculpting class "intense"?
      I actually wanted to take sculpting, but they often make you sculpt completely useless things like ashtrays... That's kinda funny... people sculpting ashtrays in grade school... they did it you know... it's like brainwashing children to become smokers.

      Oh well, sadly my friends forgot the clay they were gonna bring, so i don't have it yet, but that just means I'll be working on the commissions I'm SUPPOSED to be working on.

      C'est live. Half the month gone and I need to be working! I'll get some work done tonight on it and feel better about it all.
       
    41. Oh, when I mean intense, I mean we had to learn a lot and fast. xD;
      And it's at the Academy of Art in SF, for a foundations class, we only sculpted humans and human parts.
      Are you building an armature to create your "practise" doll on? *0* I hammered my finger a lot of times making those.
      I guess I just didn't like the class mostly because it was so early in the morning, and I had to stand for 5 1/2 hours XD

      I wanna see pictures when you start!!! ^_^
       
    42. I've wondered what i should do for an armature. I want the master pieces to be strong and able to survive time (so that i don't have to cast new molds from cast pieces... copies of copies and whatnot).
      I figured on at least the torso pieces being partially hollow, but not things like arms, legs, hands, feet, and heads.
       
    43. College sculpture classes are pretty intense... and at a good high school with the budget for it I'm sure it would be too. The teacher at my gradeschool had the kids sculpt gargoyles out of ceramic clay, they seemed to really enjoy that. XD

      My first sculpture class was 1 carving project(needed stitches after that!), 1 sculpting the nude figure and casting it in plaster(mold built from plaster and then cast in plaster), 1 wire sculpture and welding project, and the final was lost wax bronze casting. You sculpted something out of clay, made a plaster cast, poured the wax, made a plaster of the wax, then poured moulten bronze in it(which melts the wax and gets all over the floor, oops!). In sculpture II we had no limits so long as everything was larger than a bread box and you did one project with wood, one with metal and finished with an iron pour. My project for the iron pour was a giant helmet. The molds for it weighed more than my /car/. We had to break up old radiators for the iron they were made of and they had to be broken up into pieces smaller than a golf ball, I had massive shoulder muscles after all the sledgehammering. XD Granted, these were college classes and I was a sculpture major. Eventually I got burned out because it was /too/ intense. My teacher was a fine artist and I'm well, not. He wasn't keen on my sculpting dolls because I enjoy it, it wasn't deep enough for him. e_e I ended up with my degree in web design/3d animation... but I'm still sculpting and sewing for a living. XB


      back on topic, I think with the popularity of Kaye's dolls and Liebchan I think people would totally go for a doll made in the states. People buy the dolls based on what they look like, not where they come from. I've casted some heads myself, but no full dolls yet. I'm still getting the hang of the coremolds for arms and legs.
       
    44. ok, I'll conscede it, that does sound intense!
      I don't think I'd want to be casting in metal... dolls are heavy eneough! hahaha! But over all, I'd probably have fun with a class like that!
       
    45. woah, talk about intense!
      i have had experience in metal working, jewelery making and various other arty crafty things for a quite a while, i can sculpt a solid figure, but when it came to doing a bjd my head nearly exploded!
      It's a completely different ballgame figuring out muscles with range of movement for the joints, and how far to take it and what method to use to string etc.
      i also like the idea of using plaster moulds for casting, but i've heard that it's awkward for resin, i'm thinking about apoxy sculpt or clay, it's just i'm familiar with plaster. resin makes me scared!
      It is quite a big committment to consider a castable master core. i admire anyone who gets that far! (i'm nowhere near that stage yet!)
      Sorry for the ramble, i'll finish in a sec.....
      Also having checked out liebchen and bishounen house, i have to say that you would probably need a unique selling point / something that the other companies don't offer to make it a cost effective production, that is of course if you are looking to sell widely.
      Sos about the ramble guys...i'll try to think of something more relevant next time!
       

    46. we did have a guy cast babydoll heads he'd altered in iron and them make little stuffed bodies for them. They were really really amusing. XD
       
    47. I don't mind rambles. It gives me a good sense of what people want, expect, and would ultimately purchase.
      As I stated earlier, I plan on doing things with ball-jointed dolls that others haven't yet explored, such as alternative colorings such as powder blue for an undead doll, teal-ish color for an Aquatic Elf (at the request of a friend), and my primary goal, an attractve onyx Drow (Dark Elf).

      I think I've locked in my favorite head drawings. I've gone so far as to draft an SA/Dreaming/Tender/etc head. (I think SA might mean Slightly Awake...).

      But I've drawn an attractive Male & Female set and I really really like them!
      I'm debating whether or not to post pictures of my drafts for the simple fact of copywrite.

      I don't know if I'll want to seel too widely, but a few a month would be wonderful (and make the work all worth while). But I suppose I'll beging to look at that bridge once I get in the actual sculpting phase.
      {hey! at least I'm taking my time with it and not ruching out a shotty product}

      I suppose the hardest aspect of it will be symetry. But that's what sanding and fisnishing is for.

      All I can say is I hope I'm not biting off more that I can swallow!
       
    48. my appeal must be wearing off, I don't blame it, this is the slow part of things, but at least, as I've said before, I'm not rushing into it...
       
    49. No offense intended, but most likely your thread isn't going to stay active until you have pictures to show. :daisy There are a lot of other people working on dolls right now too!
       
    50. I know, but there was a wonderful flurry of posting for a little while and I kinda miss it. I just need to get my hands on some clay (after Halloween) and then the real fun will begin! Muahahahahahaha
       
    51. Well cool.

      Personally, I want to see if I can tell where you're from based on how you sculpt. :roll:

      ....
      ....
      ....
      yes, I am a wiseguy.
       
    52. Because I'm a curious soul and the concept of a lil blue mini with drow ears interests me, I'll ask if there are any pics or news on this project ? :)
       
    53. Sorry this is a bit OT but this is where I am up to too! I actually don't know if I should make a coremolds for them or just drill them after I cast it in resin. Please, any suggestion is much appreciated. ^^

      I imagine the coremolds for arms and legs are going to be thin cylindrical tubbing and is probably going to be hard to pull out... back to the drawing board.
       
    54. Elven dolls intrigue me and since drow was mentionedsign me up for stalking as well
       
    55. Stalkety, stalk, bumpity bump....
      How's it going, o sculpter of things drow?
      I've already made some drawings to make Emilys' dress and veil from the corpse bride...don't worry, i suffer from lack of patience and over eagerness...
       
    56. Nothing to report just yet, it's after halloween, so I have my free time and I'm not taking commissions, so that's that for now.
      Hopefully I'll get my hands on some clay in the near future. I might have some display pieces (thing just of clay and not cast yet) by thanksgiving, but I can't make any promises. I'll probably go through a fair bit of sandpaper before I'm truely happy.
      I wonder how my ordering system will work... Hahaha! I'm thinking far ahead.

      Now heres an issue that i've come to worry about.
      Pretty much all the major doll companies send out their dolls in a carrying case with 2 pillows. I don't have carrying cases to send out, though I could probably make some. Is the carrying case really important to the doll? I know hakai almost never goes in his. If he's traveling it's usually between my legs! Hahahaha! Yes, and if I'm driving, then it's stick shift. So I have a Hound between my legs while shifting gears!
      It's because I always have a passenger. Otherwise he's be my passenger and I'd take the carpool lane (though I've never seen one before).

      I guess I should put a link to this thread in my signature... It would bolster support, but maybe I don't need that much exposure with no product.
      So I'll hold off.

      I know that the company will be H.M.Doll because of H.M.Designs.
      And for those who may not know, H.M. is me, Hakai Morisato, though that's just an alias. I know that it should be Morisato Hakai, but M.H. doesn't sound as good as H.M. (I'm allowed to get off topic in my own thread)

      I need to arrange getting the clay to my house soon, then I can get my first doll cranked out.

      Maybe I should add a poll, and if so, can i add more than one...
      I would start with, which would you rather buy, a boy doll or a girl doll...
      I guess I could just get answers from you in this thread.

      This is my market research. I know of 2 people that want my "special" doll that I'll be making, and only a few people know what makes it special.
      I know when I have it and announce it, that it will be very popular, but I think it should be a LIMITED. Maybe to 50... But then, if I made it and made it Limited, then what if I wanted to make it again. Particularly if it's popular. The whole thing about Latidoll Adel. EVERYONE wanted him! But there were only going to be 10 EVER!

      I don't think I could be so cruel as to Limit a sculpt or mold.

      I guess there will be certain things I'll have to do, such as get cards printed like a certificate of authenticity or something like that. And also an issue number.
      There's so much to consider!
       
    57. my doll just came in a cardboard box with two pillows, not an actual carrying bag, I think a box is fine

      having the box around is usefull for storing him though, plus its a nice shimmery purple so not a complete eye sore when it stands in the corner of my room
       
    58. i agree, having a carry case isn't essential, my dz boz is nice enough to leave in the corner and not look messy.

      as to limited editions, you could always still make a limited run in a year and that would be it, apart from the next year you could add something slightly different like a different hand style and number on the head or something. that way someone could say 'i'm so lucky, i have a 2007 H.M!' and everyone would know that it was from the first run or a 2008 and know it's the second run.
      just a thought.
       
    59. Oh I haven't looked for awhile... what's the special doll now?? do you actually have pictures or other info to share? Hint? Hint?

      I'm such a total sucker for interesting sculpts!! :)

      K
       
    60. I'm stalking the thread too... I'm curious!

      and just as a note... a number of people have mentioned matilda as being a US made doll... she's not... that is, if you're talking about Kaye Wiggs Matilda. She's australian-made.

      good luck!

      -Liza
       
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