I've noticed pretty much everyone here relies on Sculpey or Fimo clay to make their dolls. I had been looking into other clays, and I would really love to make a doll, literally from scratch. Would there be any clay recipes any of you would know? I'm kind of sick of the cornstarch/baking soda & the 'breaddough' ones. I'm afraid they'd be so fragile they's break easily. Second, how well do straight Super Scupley dolls fair? As in, do you have to worry about major chipping or breakage from a foot off the ground? I want to make some dolls that could survive a drop from five feet onto cement without major damage, without having to go resin- do you think it's possible? Also, do you usually put the hooks (s hooks, to clarify) when you are sculpting, or do those go in somehow after you bake/fire it? Sorry to make this so long winded- I just have a ton of free time to think about this stuff. I want to make sure I have all the proper information about making the silly thing before I actually go off and do it. ^_^ Hope you understand. Thanks!
Ok, no matter what kind of clay you use, dropping it from five feet onto cement is far from recommanded! Just don't push your luck, ok? Super sculpey is fine and fairly solid, but I heard s-sculpey mixed with regular sculpey works smoothly and is cheaper, but I've never tried it yet. I would personally glue the hooks after but that's mostly because I don't trust my oven. I've never heard of clay recipes but I've got a good recipe for cookies... Sorry, that was an easy joke. I don't think it's a good idea to make it yourself. The best clays out there are from chemical compounds and go figure what else. And what you can make with home ingredients is probably not hard enough. Remember you'll have to string it and the tension of those elastics is huge, you have to give your doll some bones... I hope that can help?
Like Jenn said, I don't think there's anything that tough! That being said super sculpey can be pretty tough. One of the big reasons I'm casting my doll is because one day I'll drop her I know it, and it'll be a lot less heart breaking if I can fix her up with new parts rather than have to make one up from scratch again
I'm not really the most reliable source about sculpey here, but here are my answers anyway. You'll probably have to wait for others to confirm if it's true About clay recipe, I didnt try it myself, but there is this one that looks good (the whole tutorial is here). since I didnt try it, I don't know if it's "let's throw this at cement" material. about sculpey, my doll isn't completed yet, but so far I've dropped part of her from 4-5 feet high and it didnt break. the only things that broke was the head, cause I tried to fit a neck too big for the neck hole. so I guess dropping=no breaking but walking on it=break. oh I forgot to tell it didnt chip, it was a neat splitting. only had 2 parts to glue together I don't know what would happen if I dropped the whole doll on the ground. but it seems pretty solid. (it has to be, I am mrs clumsy after all) Anyway, hope it helped you a bit ^.^
Yep- that's the tutorial that started this whole mess- Noah's Doll Tut. I really appreciate your answers! O.o;; I've noticed something odd though. It's usually cheaper to buy 8 2 oz blocks than buy a 1 lb brick of Sculpey. Wow. Dick Blick does it, Michael's too. Even some of the discount art places it's still cheaper! SURPRISE: Round 2 Question! Do you think it would be a good idea to suede the finished doll right off the bat, or just wait to see if the design needs it?
I've heard mixing super sculpey with flexy sculpy makes it really tough. Yeah, and I tried the dropping sculpey from 5 feet thing, and...don't do it. At least not on a hard surface.
A good (clean :P unlike the Noah method) recipe is paperclay plus a stone clay. Like Ladoll plus Premiere. Fancy art dolls are made out of that ^_^ Try not to mix clays from different companies, cos some can be uncompatable. When I tried the Noah method I got sawdust glue goop caked all over everythin @_@
Yeeeeeeeah. I tried it too. I just threw everything I needed to mix into a Ziplock Baggie, cause I knew the sawdust would go everywhere. :\ when it comes to mixing anything, for some reason I just can't do it. Sueding? Yay? Nay? Also (bought Sculpey yesterday, YAY!) dpes anyone know of a way to keep Sculpey cool while you work with it? I'm working with it in the coldest room of my house, but my fingers turn it almost to playdoh. Because of that, I'm having a hard time making the head to my doll. Any suggestions? (To clarify, I'm using tin foil as a armature for the head, but I;m not sure how I'm supposed to get it out after I cure it in the oven. Help?)
You should probably wait to see if your doll needs to be sueded or not. Depending on the size and how you make the joints it may not be needed. As for the Sculpey, try getting the head roughly the way you want it and then stick it in the freezer for awhile and then add the finer details. And depending on how comfortable you are with exacto knives and sandpaper you may just want to bake the head and carve/sand some things after it's hardened.
Another Question (Geez, I'm full of them huh?) How much baking can Super Sculpey take? I wanted to bake a sphere to work on, add the face, put it back in the oven, and keep baking until I could finish the head. Is this possible? I think I might have to freeze it like Nodel said. ><;;
I bake mine fairly often and they look fine. I would say don't over-bake (10-15 minutes work fine for me) and you should be ok. If ever it burns a bit (I don't want to sound cruel but it happened to me), scratch the black-burned part off and put some new sculptey to replace it and it will be as good as new.
Should be ok, I think I probably baked my head about 3 or 4 times without any burning, I just did about 15 mins for the big bits, 10 mins for smaller additions.
Alright- I read that you can make polymer clays less 'soft' by setting them on paper. Supposedly the paper soaks up extra plasticine(?) in the clay, makin it more firm.* I had notice that the paper I had copied with designs on it had huge oil marks from just an hour of the clay sitting on it. Do you think it's OK to do this to Super Sculpey, or do you think this will drastically affect the clays performance? (AKA- should I do it or no?) *You are supposed to roll the clay out into sheets. Forgot to mention that! ^_^;;
" I read that you can make polymer clays less 'soft' by setting them on paper. Supposedly the paper soaks up extra plasticine(?) in the clay, makin it more firm.* I had notice that the paper I had copied with designs on it had huge oil marks from just an hour of the clay sitting on it." hi, that stain you can see is called leaching. when working on some projects a really firm clay is needed, polymer clay artists knead and leach their clay overnight when it is too soft. it just removes some of the oils in the polymer to make it more dense. (i think polymer millifiori canes are made like this)
MWHAHAHA! NECRO THREAD POSTING! IT LIVES! Anyway. I'm making a doll, and I got to right before the baking process- would it be a good idea to add hooks now, or try and put them in later, after baking? Has anybody tried during baking? O.o;;
I put a wire poll in the hand or foot joint before I bake/let the clay dry(for air dry clay). Once it's baked/dried, the s-hook loops around the poll and the string. That way the s-hook can move around or you can take it out...I don't know if that is the usual way to do it...
I posted this in another thread awhile ago, but thought it would be useful here as well Try placing the piece in a microwave safe glass bowl and fill it with enough water to cover the clay completely. Then microwave on high for about 45min in most cases (mine is a cheap one that can only do 15min at a time, so I restart it each time it dings for 3 times). You don't have to worry about the smaller pieces burning at all (I have had a head and some hands in at the same time with absolutely no differences in how they cured). Just don't use this method with anything with metal in it such as foil or wire (found this out the hard way a long while back. My microwave nearly caught on fire o.O *gasp*). For items with metal additions, you can boil them on your stove, but it takes longer to cure, you have to use a double boiler, and you have to watch the water in both pans to make sure it doesn’t boil away, but it works (used this method with good results). I really love using Sculpey now that I learned how to do this
Do you think that you could boil Sculpey II(or III, I dont remember which one I have) also? For some reason I got that kind instead of Super Sculpey for my birthday...
You can boil all types of Sculpey as far as I know. I have some Sculpey II that I have used. It does get a film of white on the surface though (it can be sanded/scraped off with a little effort ), so I recommend testing some small samples before the things you sculpt just to make sure. Hope this helps, ~Sarah~
sooo... it's okay to bake aluminum foil when used as a base for doll parts? I was told that was a good base to use to keep everything hollow... I just couldn't see that being so good some how o.o;
Aluminum foil does work pretty well for a base, but personally I have found it very difficult to remove if you want to do a hollow piece. Make sure you don't pack it tightly or it will really be a nightmare to get out.
Yeeeeup. Especially if you don't find a way to coat the cracks (usually another layer of foil) Another way I've found it tightly packed paper covered in papertape. you put it in the oven and it burns off. XD
I put the hooks in afterwards, and sculpey seems to be pretty strong for me - though if it were to land on its hands, fingers may chip off- but that all depends on how big the doll is.