Does size matters for dolls being couples?

Personally, I prefer it when a doll couple is around the same size. Some variance is fine- for example, my 65cm boy would still be acceptable with my 54cm boy, because the proportions fit in well. They look like two adults: one tall and one short.
Also for me, it's not just size that's important but the style of doll. I don't think the very realistic dolls look good next to very anime-style dolls. I don't think a Soom Dia would look great next to a Delf El, but of course that's only personal preference. I just think it makes the Delf look like an alien, while the Soom goes rocketing into Uncanny Valley.
I don't really like SD and MSD couples either, even if, say, it's a Delf and a MNF. If the Delf were the parent and the MNF a teenage child, OK. But put romance in there and it starts to look a bit like child porn to me O.o

 

Size in dolly couples to me only matters in so far as having the characters be the 'right' height next to one another. In the future I will have a 60cm girl whose 'man' will be about 75cm tall. I also know someone who has an adorable couple who are made up of a 45-ish CM girl and a 65-70cm boy, that are darling together. Of course, for that couple, it REALLY helps that the male has a smaller head, while the female has a larger head, for their sizes...the girl actually has a bigger head than the male. So they LOOK 'in scale' as a taller man with a shorter woman.

In smaller dolls, it also doesn't really bother me when you look into smaller dolls (27-ish cm and smaller) if there's a larger height difference, so long as both have more mature looking figures, or both have childish figures (as innocent child 'couples' can be darned cute together, too)

 

For me I don't think it's size but maturity that's the issue. If they are both adult looking dolls then the size won't bother me, I can understand proportions being more important. There are some very extreme size differences with adults in real life, so I think if it can happen in life it can happen in the doll world, btw I'm definitely talking as a barely 5ft girl here lot's of men are much taller but that won't stop me!

 

I think it largely depends on the specific dolls, how they're styled, and the possibly some kind of photography tricks. Also on the sizes - a really short SD next to a really tall SD would still look different from a tall MSD and a tall SD.

In my personal opinion, I have never once seen a single regular MSD/SD couple that didn't look like a much younger (pre-pubescent, no older than 12) sibling next to a much older one. I know it's possible to have a really short person (4'0") dating a really tall person (6'0"+), so that WOULD technically heigh-weight factor into MSD and SD, but I find that the proportions of the dolls just simply do not allow for that. MOST MSD's - especially ones with bigger heads - are sculpted with childish proportions in mind, and as such they look more like a regular child, not a short adult. You can of course get a mature mini, but then they've got a head-size difference of 2 and end up looking like two adults of different scales (which is what they are, essentially). Then, factor into the equation the fact that most SD's have really long legs, making the shorter one end somewhere around the waist/pelvis of the taller one and therefore appearing even shorter. I won't deny that in all likelihood it possible to have an MSD/SD couple, with the right dolls and styling, but I've personally never seen it work with standard SD's.

When you start hitting the weird sizes though - specifically in the 50 cm range - it gets a lot trickier. For example, having seen pictures, Soom new Idealian's and Souldoll's new Vito's (51, technically an SD-size) look REALLY good with MSD's. So then it really just depends on how the dolls look next to each other.

Me, personally, I have a really short Japanese woman character who marries a really tall European man, and I'm sticking with getting her as a shorter SD (55+ range) and getting him to be around 70cm, to have the size difference without it looking really... funny.

 

I'd actually love to have a SD-yoSD couple where the other character would be cursed to be a child, but thinking about it, it would seem like I wanted to do some not-very-innocent stories... Which I don't, but I don't dare do that anyway. I'm asexual, and tend to forget how people might see sex where it isn't, lol XD

 

It depends on the specific dolls involved. Almost all my guys are 70cm and most of my girls are SD sized. More important to me is that their heads are a similar size and that I think they look good together. I am thinking of getting a Souldoll Vito to go with my Bambicrony Brava girl. He will be taller than she is (51m to 45cm), but because they wear the same size wigs, I think they will look ok. It will be like a small woman going with a tall man. If dolls look good together and they are photographed in a way that any size difference is minimal, it is fine with me. I am not concerned with what other people do with their dolls, I am only expressing my guidelines with my own dolls.

 

Definitely adding my voice to the 'depends on the maturity' crowd. I think SD/MSD would be perfectly fine together, as long as the MSD didn't look like a child! But, then, I vastly prefer mature minis, so it wouldn't be much of a problem in my house.

 

in the case of MSD/SD, the small one shouldn't look too much like a child and even less BE one! the other thing that would bother me would be the proportions.... a MNF next to any SD looks incredibly stupid so I wouldn't want to pair those.... xD
personnaly, I'd love to pair a zaoll with a 70cm guy! (they would look similar to MSDxSD since they have about 20cm of differences)

edit: IRL I love couples where the guy is much taller than the girl x3 also, why I don't see a big size difference as ''wrong'' or anything is because in real life there are drawfs and and people over 6feet tall and they could fall in love

 

I like the proportions to be close. Of course for some dolls, like Rosettes, that is near impossible. They look odd next to other dolls.

I like couples to be about the same size so they don't look too far apart.

 

There's actually a movie rather like this. I can't recall the name, but the vampire girl stays a 12-year-old girl and her human boyfriend continues to age. It was very interesting. ^^ I think it'd be super cool in doll form!

 

I have a SD/MSD couple (RS Dan & RS Jun). It wasn't planned that way, but it happened. They are both mature looking sculpts and I think it helps that they are both fantasy dolls

 

I think that if the hight is simmiler, it's easier to get two shots of the couples, but I like it when the boy is taller than a girl about 5~10cm so that the if the boy is hugging her, it'll look good

 

If you don't care, it doesn't matter. I have all types of pairings among The Horde and no one has been bothered yet. All one needs to keep in mind is to add warnings on your photos so people who are put off my disparate scale pairings are alerted not to look.

 

Size difference really doesn't bother me really, that being said I have an SD/MSD couple and it works.. Really it's more a looking for a doll who suits the characters.. and it wound up that way. It's my friends character and she had the choice and really.. character wise Vaunce is supposed to be much shorter than Lesley.

I understand where some would not like the combo. There's some I'm sketchy on.. Like I was looking for an MSD size for my cat boy, but learned she was looking into pukipuki for my catboy's bird.. so I've since decided on a pukipuki I already sort of wanted as my cat boy.

 

My 60 cm UniDoll UH-14 looks like a mature woman (as far as a stylised doll can look as a mature woman, because she has a big head with big eyes) and I thought about matching her up with my 80 cm MechaAngel Sabik, but next to him she looks like a child. It looked terribly wrong so I stick to making pairs with dolls that don't have a huge size difference.

 

I think that one was called "Let Me In" or "Let the right one in" or something like that. A very cool movie ^^

 

For me, yes, I don't care if my character is cursed to be a child (I have two of those. Twins.) or just ages body wise very slowly, I will NEVER pair them with an 'adult' (or anyone in my case. Just dun work story wise)

You have to think about how a person who ISN'T in the know would look at it. If you're doing less than innocent photoshoots of a YSD and a SD (or some of the childish MSDs with an SD) there is a huge chance people will think "Pedo". No doubt about it. And as mentioned in another thread I do think it's silly to put ANYTHING on the internet that could connect you to being a pedo.

Even if the character is 6000 years old, it still has the body of a child and normal not in the know people will find that creepy. But again, it depends on the stylization. Or how it's handled. It's not unusual for little kids to get crushes on older people but even then, it should really be one sided on their part.

At the end of the day, I don't really care what you do with your dolls and their storylines, Its just not for me and makes me uncomfortable to see a very obvious child paired with an adult.
(That said, there IS a pair on flickr. MSD and SD, and I adore them. She doesnt look like a child though. Facially, bodywise or stylization.)

I don't have any couples in my doll family but the most I'd go is 5-15 cms a difference. I do like pairings where the girl is about shoulder height (well, rather, I like the guys to be tall) C=

 

I think it matters a bit. They have to be believable as a couple. If you pair a 70cm boy with a 45cm girl, depending on their build, it may not even be passable as a pedo relationship let alone a relationship between an of age, short girl and a tall guy... If you're going to go with different size doll lovers, make sure the smaller doll has a more mature looking body and that the size difference isn't too big!

 

I find that SDs and mature minis tend to have different proportions, like putting a barbie next to a minifee? It's not just a matter of height, but of the entire proportion? I'm not sure precisely how to describe it. OTL

That said, I have paired a Yo-sized tiny with a 65cm big doll... sort of. They were supposed to be six years old and one year old (yes, 1. He was a big baby.) respectively, so it was more like a kindergarten romance. XD

 

I think sometimes it just clicks- the entire reason I fell in love with Narae's is StephG... her dolls, even though they are two different sizes are photographed and styled very well.

There's a happy medium for everything- a mature mini with an SD isn't unreasonable in my book.

 

I see how it matters to some/most people, but I actually like size differences and I'm planning on a SD/MSD couple.
(That being said, she's a mature miny and not a child.) They probably won't be believable as a human x human couple, but that's easily solvable with making him some sort of fantasy being that's just taller than normal humans.

What I want to say is, just because there's a size difference, it doesn't mean it has to look pedo. You could make it look that way, but if you just try to avoid that it shouldn't be a problem.
Personal preference though.

 

I Have a MSD MSD couple, a MSD SD couple and a JDF SD couple. And my goal is to have a JDF SSDF couple. So nope, doesn't matter to me. I just go by the story in my head and what doll would best suit that character.

 

Depends on the dolls and characters. Currently I have one odd couple, my 1/4 DZ boy and 60cm Obitsu. I think because they are both stylized looking sculpts it works for the most part. Lately it had become kind of a pain to pose them together especially with all their children. So it looks like my Obitsu will be getting a slightly shorter body (Yay for 50cm body!)

 

I think it matters to some degree. If you have two dolls who are 60cm and 70cm respectively it's not such a big deal, but a 70cm beside a 45cm starts to get pretty creepy.

 

I don't mind doll height difference, especially since, in reality, humans are all different heights and shouldn't have to only be with someone who is sizeably comparable. After all, I know a real-life couple where the woman is 2/3 her boyfriend's height because he's so tall and she is just slightly under 5'0". So, in my opinion, doll couples of different heights doesn't phase me. It only matters how they are presented. I have seen a fantastic MSD/SD couple and I have seen one that really bothered me. In the end, I think it's more than size you need to consider to pull off such a couple.

 

I think it matters.
For instance, I'm not going to pair a 40cm doll with a 70cm. The 40cm is probably going to look like a child, and the 70cms that I like look like full grown men in their prime. It's a bit weird...pedophilia anyone?
But if the 40cm doesn't look like a cute little child then sure, why not. Let's stick them together!

I would stick a tiny with an msd. It would be like puppy love

 

It matters to me considerably. Some say that as long as both sculpts are mature enough it doesn't matter, but for me, if there is a significant height difference between the two dolls the shorter doll invariably comes across as a 'child' and no amount of backstory is going to change that for me.

I think that proportion is very important. There are a huge range of heights for dolls now, and a few sculpts are available in a range of sizes (Lishe is available as a Delf, MiniFee and LittleFee...her head can work on Feeple 70 and 65 bodies too, as well as a number of bodies from other companies), so if you do adore a certain sculpt but need it to work in a certain scale, that is possible.

With the range of heights of dolls classed as 'SD-size' right now, there are possibilities for tall dolls with shorter partners, but they will still be in the same scale. Souldoll Double girls are clearly mature females, but they're on the shorter side of the size range, so they would be easily be a petite companion for a taller doll, but not mistaken for a child. Unoa Chibis are smaller than the majority of dolls classed as 'MSD-size', but Unoa Chibi Lilin has a very mature figure. She'd look great as a petite companion for another MSD.

Finding shorter male dolls isn't impossible either, I just find it jarring when a 50+cm doll is paired with a 40cm+ doll. The scale is off, and it doesn't quite look right to me.

 

I know that kind of worry-- I have a pair of dolls (well, I will have them-- the box is in the closet right now and I'm pretending not to know it's there already) who will become a couple eventually, but one of them is a little person. To get the heights right, it meant getting a MNF and a LTF, but I know no matter how many times I say 'he's an adult!', there will be people who only think 'that's a little kid!'. (he's totally the more mature one, too!)

So I probably won't do any overtly romantic photo stories-- I hadn't planned on doing any sexual ones anyway, so that doesn't crimp my style so much. But yeah, after a certain point with them, it would be hard to tell their story without them looking couply... But I guess at least people familiar with the characters wouldn't get freaked out by it.

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Anneko

 

It matters to me, as I want my dolls to look good together in photographs and display well together. My DT girls are both 'mini' heads, but anyone with DT dolls will know their heads are huge, and 'minis' are comparable in size to most SDs. One is on the 53cm Elf body and the other on an SD CH body, so IMO, they are SD dolls, not MSD at all. Both are/will be coupled with SD boys. Their style and proportions match and they have face-ups of young women, not children.

To me, MSD/SD pairings generally just look off, either an adult and a child, or an unnaturally small adult with a giant adult Even MSDs as a child next to an SD sometimes doesn't mesh for me, something about the proportions just never quite works...

 

It matters to me. In general terms, the height differences among the members of my resin crew just have to match the expected ones among the characters. This applies in height and proportions and they are a couple or not. About couples, I am used to take SD size BJD as adult characters and MSD size BJD as children starting their teens. The proportions of both sizes make me see it that way so SD-MSD couples are not my style at all. I never think about pairing when it is about MSD size. In the case of SD the difference between one and the other differs from larger to smaller depending on the expected for each couple.

 

The thing is, "little people," short people, and tall people typically all have almost the same size head and torso. It's their arms and legs that are longer or shorter. With nearly every sculpt that is supposed to be an adult but is shorter than an SD, the entire body is scaled down--small head, small torso, small hands, etc. So, even if the MSD looks like an adult, he or she won't look like a "short SD." The couple will just look out of scale.

And most of the shorter-than-SD dolls who have bigger heads & torsos are sculpted to look like children. So it would look really creepy to me to see them paired with an adult, even if there is some back-story explanation as to why an adult would be sexually attracted to someone who looks like a child.

 

I have an SD with an MSD couple. She used to look very little kid like, but then I redid her face up and she looks more mature now though, but her body is still kind of small. I'm contemplating making her a hybrid by finding a more mature body for her, though.

 

I tried it once, because I really liked a certain sculpt for a character, but every time I put them next to each other it looked like pedophilia and I just couldn't handle that. So I changed sculpts to a larger doll.

 

Yeah, that's a good point, and a big part of why I'm avoiding doing photo stories with overt romantic element in couples with a size difference. I mean, there's a certain degree of stylization where age lines kind of blur, but they don't blur that much. No matter how 'adult' a character does or doesn't look in my mind's eye, when you're sharing pictures, you have to be aware of whether or not they look like a child in the resin. And a lot of the time, they do.

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Anneko

 

To me it depends on the sculpts and how they look together. At a local doll meet, someone brought a huge 70cm Iple guy and I had with me my tiny soom fairy. We had my little fairy sitting on his shoulder and it was absolutely adorable. Personally, I would do such a pairing- but then again it was a mature fantasy creature with mature human and that is probably what makes it less squicky.

I'm not sure I would do a 60+cm with a child-like tiny (or msd) that wasn't clearly not human. It's easier to bend the "rules" for fantasy sculpts as how they age could be very different to humans and one couldn't really tell how old they are. For strictly human/human relations though.... It really would depend on how the dolls look together. If one appears too much like a child and is of a smaller height compared to its partner, I probably wouldn't do it. But if they were both mature sculpts (or both childlike sculpts) that look decent next to each other, go for it.

After that meet, I am now really tempted to get a 70cm guy for my fairy now.

 

I personally don't like any doll couples of different size ranges. (and I don't mean 55cm with 60cm or 60cm with 70cm) When I see something like a SD and MSD together as a couple I either think it's gross and pedo (if the MSD looks young) or silly, unfitting, and disproportionate (if the MSD is mature looking). An MSD compared to an MSD is like a 6 year old child next to an adult in height. I wouldn't even believe an MSD as a young teenager next to an SD. I'm pretty tall and I've never met an adult that only came up to my waist. (not counting actual little people but then the proportions are different) Heck, even my brother who is 6'9" hasn't come across an adult who is that short compared to him.

 

Size differences don't bother me in other people's dolls, but for my own, I want closer proportions. I have two JID dolls that are a pair (a Jerome and an Amy), and I like that they are close in height, while still having the male doll slightly taller. They are both more mature-looking dolls, despite their smaller size. For my larger DollZone 70cm boy, I would like to get a Dollmore Model Lasia as a companion. She would be around 65cm, so would look a few inches shorter if translated IRL. That's my favorite size difference for my ideal boyfriend, I suppose. Close together, but with the guy just a little taller. (Makes him easier to reach!) I agree with those who have said that matching the maturity/realism of the dolls' sculpts also seems to make a big difference.

 

For me, it kinda does. My first BJD is 64cm. I'm going to get his boyfriend at some point, and he's taller. So he would be...probably a 72cm doll.

 

For me it sorta does... My two boys are 60 and 70cm and it's friggin hard to put them on the same picture nice The difference is just too much.
It only works if one is on bare feet and one on high heels, and still the difference is quite a lot
This all made me want to upgrade my 60cm boy to a 65cm; I don't mind him being smaller, but 10cm is just too much

 

I had a 70cm/40cm couple it was pretty cool since he could carry her she was so tiny compared to him!

 

So far, I don't have any dolls that are a couple. But, when I look at pictures of couples, I do think that having dolls that are in scale with each other is more aesthetically pleasing for me as an observer. I did once see an SD-MSD couple and it worked very well due to the similar overall look of the dolls (the MSD looked very mature and had a smaller head, so she looked very nice with the SD). If I ever do have a couple, it will be very important to me to have them in scale with each other.

 

52cm dolls are short SDs, not tall MSDs, and so would be more in scale with a 70cm doll in terms of proportions.

 

It depends for me.... I actually kind of want to have my 45cm Dollmore Judith girl paired with a 60cm boy, and I don't think it'll look bad, but the Judith has an adult female figure, and the 60cm would need to have a smaller head (also not a problem). I wouldn't do this with just any pair though, my 43cm PD girl looks like a 10 year old next to my 62cm DM boy even though their characters are only two years apart. How you style the doll, and the proportions (as others have stated) is pretty much 99% of the battle to me. Without taking that into account, I would feel a bit squeamish about any pairing.

 

I don't think it's always the easiest route to take, but I definatly think that msd/sd couples can work.
I have a hybrid girl (bleu citron on a JID body) that only works with sd dolls. She's only 45 cm tall meaning she's a msd, but she's going to live in the world of sds, she's just short (I call her the littlest sd).
She's going to be paired with a 52 cm sd, but if her partner's character was taller I wouldn't hesitate to pair her with a 60 cm+ doll.
She works because she has a large head for an msd, and sd hands (I should switch her feet too, but she has a pair of boots that I love so I'm being stubborn). She just looks like an adult with short limbs. She's out of proportion for slim msds (looks like a giant headed freak), but works with child like msds as a short adult (I've had teachers as short as I was as a kid, they exsist).
In her case pairing her with another msd would be the creepy option.

 

It matters to me but I'm not the one buying your dolls, lol. I think it looks oddly mismatched. For this reason, all of my dolls are going to be SD

 

Actually no, the height difference is not even close or similar to be considered the same. 70-52cm is a 18cm difference, whilst 64cm for a DoT and 41cm for a DoC is a 23cm difference. I can assure you 5cm in terms of dolls is nearly a head's difference so a short SD and a 70cm will look way better in proportion in height and scale than a DoT with a DoC.

My friend has both a DoC girl and a DoT boy, the top of her head comes up to his crotch, her head's way smaller and she stands on two boxes to reach his waist to hug. And that's his kid daughter not a lover.

As for the question asked, size and proportion matters to me. I do not like SD/SMD couples because it looks off in proportion and looks like paedophilia to me. A short adult or small adult will not have a head so much smaller than a tall adult, dolls aren't just about height difference, there is also head sizes and proportion. To me it does not matter how 'old' the character is, if it looks like a child and adult on the outside, thats how I see it. I wouldn't even stay long enough to look at photos so I will never read the 'background' to explain as I honestly don't care at that point, it looks wrong to me and I choose the back button. Like many others have mentioned, there are 52cm short SDs if you want tall partners for MSDs and there are short 56cm SDs that work for short partners for the taller dolls. If someone else wants to do it, sure why not whatever floats your boat, I'm very uncomfotable with it and wouldn't do it myself and I choose not to look at the photos.

 

When I was a kid I used to have weddings for my Pets (DogxPigeon etc >___<) and pair my large teddy bears with tiny finger puppets etc - dolls are only toys and it's not like they're having a real relationship. I think photos and stories could be cool about giants or tiny faires, like how Tinkerbell was in love with Peter. If you wanna take creepy pedo shots that imitate child abuse images though you should probably take some time out to examine yourself.

Kirsten Dunst played an adult woman/vampire trapped in the body of a small girl in Interview with a Vampire, Anne Rice Vampires don't have much physical sexual capacity though.

 

For me it doesn't really matter. I was contemplating an MSD with an SD because I liked the body shape of the MSD, but I'm iffy on the face.

As far as being careful what you put on the net, this is why people should keep their personal life separate from their business life. Have a separate business email and personal email, and don't link them together. If you have a facebook, or mypsace page, don't make it searchable, or if you do, have it locked so that only friends and family can see what you post. (Not sure if you can do that with myspace, I know you can with facebook.) It's a little hard for your boss or potential boss to see your "questionable" content if you don't "show" them, by pretty much blocking them out.

 

Height isn't the issue with me, it's size and scale. Forget height for a moment. Yes, I get that there are tall humans (I am one) and short humans. That's not what matters in the end. As was pointed out earlier a 50cm doll, or a short SD sized doll is going to be more in scale with larger dolls than a tall MSD sized doll. An example that I can think of off hand are Zaolls and Soom Rosette (sp? right name?) dolls. The Rosette girls might be as tall as or even taller than a Zaoll (I have no idea, I've never seen one in person only photos) but they're still proportionately smaller. The heads are tiny, their features are tiny. A Zaoll is in scale with SD dolls, their features are large and their bodies are more like short adults.

For me, I can't do the MSD size/SD size pair. I come by this honestly, I tried to do it twice. Once with a Dollzone mini and then with a MNF Ryeon/AOD hybrid (I tried to make her taller with this body over the MNF one). It didn't matter how adult or mature the girl looked, her head was so small next to my larger SD boys she looked ridiculous. It was like my dolls had a doll. It got to the point where I couldn't even have her next to my other dolls anymore, so I sold her. She didn't look like a short adult, she looked like a miniature, perfectly in scale but too small to be "real". I reshelled her as a Zaoll and it's just what I wanted, she fits in with my large dolls, not as a tiny miniature person but a very short adult woman.

I can kind of make an exception if there's a non-human thing going on...if the tiny human-looking creature is some kind of elf/fae/demon/other non-human and it makes more sense for them to be so small, I can ignore the difference. There's all kinds of fiction out there and different rules everywhere; I have two mature minis who are just proportionately smaller elves. But they're not involved with my larger dolls.

That said, of course everyone is free to do what they want. It's not my money, time or dolls so I have absolutely no say over other peoples collections. IMO 45cm and 60cm is too much a scale difference and I personally won't do it. Again. Lol.

 

What an interesting subject!
For me, I have no real problem with msd and sd interacting together. I have 3 adult msds and 3 adult sd dolls, and 1 child msd. The only problem I face is that the childish msd rarely interact with my adult msd, since they are different scale to them.

For now, I only have couples within my dolls own length , but one of my msd is together with my friends sd17. It's a big difference, but I think it will work just fine when we get them together. You can always use false perspective and angles to get a better picture.

Usually I have my dolls in two groups the msds and the sds. And separately, they work just fine, but together it get a little tricky make them work, but it is makable!

 

Ahh, I got into this conundrum right at the very second. I fell in love with an MSD size doll that was decided based on one of my story characters. After I got her however, trying to shell the rest of my story becomes much harder. She has a girlfriend around 5~6 years older but any SD sized doll I find seems to be twice her size: Height and girth wise.

IMO this doesn't make it paedophiliac in any way to me personally, because I think she looks like a miniature toy next to SD dolls, not even like a little kid because the proportion is just all wrong. And she's pretty much shadowed because the SD-sized doll just commands so much attention :..(

So unfortunately I just cannot bring myself to shell other characters yet because to me it would just look very off. I prefer couples to be at least of the same proportion regardless of height. e.g. A Mecha Angel is extremely tall but is still proportional in torso width, head girth and hands/feet size to a 60cm girl/boy.

 

I don't have any defined couples but I'd probably only make a couple if they were a similar enough size to each other that I could easily photograph them together.

 

Personally I find it difficult to see an MSD as any older than 12 or 13, so pairing them with an SD who is atleast 17, if not older just does not work in my opinion. Yes, you can have short adults and tall adults, but MSD's are generally meant to be younger and so their faces, bodies etc do not lend to adults. I think the shorter SD's, say 57cm or so work okay with the taller SD's as the proportions work.