Can human makeup be used safely for face-ups?

Heh, thanks. Well, I have a liquid acrylic pearlescent medium that works, but I think the MAC pigments are finer/smoother, that's why I was asking.
Also, I'm curious if I put a layer of gloss, then the layer of gloss with pigment in it, if it'll be okay.

 

I think if you put a layer of gloss first then another layer with the gloss and pigment in it should be ok as long as you use only a very little bit and the doll is otherwise well coated. I'd probably give the doll more coats of sealant if I had intention on doing it this way. I think an easier and safer way to go about this is get concentrated liquid watercolors that are metallic in color to use on the lips before glossing them. If you go this route you're also going to want to coat the doll thoroughly, if you mess up with the liquid watercolors you can erase them with a white gumi eraser when they dry (which is relatively fast since the liquid is very thin), however if you erase too much it will erase the coating off as well. Its better than the gloss however since if you mess that up you have to start all over.

 

I was in the pharmacy the other day looking at makeup and there was this company with the most amazing range of Glimmer dust. I wrote down the companies name and looked it up when i got home. This is their web page,

http://www.barrym.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=94

I was thinking of getting some of the glimmer stuff to do a faceup for my next doll. Sorry for the daft question but is this stuff suitable for bjd faceup/blushing use?

 

Unless it's a completely dry powder I wouldn't recommend it. Human cosmetics almost always contain minute amounts of oils to help them stick to skin and blend smoother. The oils will bond to the oil components of the resin and stain it; it can also alter the chemical balance and cause the oils to leak elsewhere. There are similar very fine glitters for acid-free archival use that would probably be safer.

 

Thanks for the reply. I couldnt see any sort of oil in the ingredients list and it is powdery as ive seen it in person. I wanted to check before i brought some. Could anyone reccomend something similar to this product that would be safe to use? (links would be grateful). Thanks again.

 

is it possible to use eye shadow for face ups? I love manic panic's belladonna eye shadow and I would love to use it for my doll, too

 

If it has any oils in it i definitely would say no way

 

Most of human makeup = no-no for bjds 8D

 

There are soime very limited forms of makeup you can use on dolls: the kinds that are nothing but pure minerals.

are two of them

But why would you want to? The pallette is very limited and a good set of chalk pastels is so much cheaper and safer!

 

If you give a good coating before most human powders are safe to use. But like Victoria Victrix said, you get a much better and richer range of color from chalk pastels. I've never gotten human makeups to stick succesfully to a faceup with enough intensity to make it worth the price. ):

 

Copypasta from my reply the last time this question was asked, since I'm too lazy to retype it:

Most human makeup is well over 50% oils and waxes. Lipids (oils, waxes, and fats) stick better to and interact better with human skin, and keep the makeup from drying skin out. But what's good for people skin is not good for dolly skin.

Lipstick is pigment in an oil-wax base, as is solid eyeliner. Liquid eyeliner is pigment suspended in oil, as is liquid foundation. Eyeshadow, blush, and solid foundation are oil-coated pigment in most cases. Mascara's made up of four or five different waxes with pigment in it. Waterproof mascara is generally made with waxes and mineral spirits, and, having made it before (I worked as a lab tech at a cosmetic company at my previous job and made one-off bench-top batches of mascaras and foundations for testing), I will never wear it again. Nobody should wear anything that requires nonstop supervision during manufacture to prevent it from exploding. Nailpolish is assorted pigments in a base that's usually acetone, which we know eats resin with prolonged exposure.

I can think of one or two face powders that are all mica, talc, and pigment--I believe Neutrogena has a line of them called Mineral Sheers. There are some companies--usually vegan or organic ones--that sell mineral powder pigment makeup that's oil free (veganessentials.com stocks some), but unless you want to pay US$7.50 per color, you might want to stick with chalk pastels and patience.

 

Read the ingrediants for BarryM eyeshadows. Next time I am work I can have a look to see if they contain oils. The pigments in them are amazing so they would good on BJDs

 

Most makeup has oil in it, oil penetrates the resin and can spread causing a stain. Most stains can be removed with some work but, it can ruin your dolls faceup or clothes so it is best to keep oily products away from your doll. The only makeup that is safe to use is loose color pigment otherwise....

Normal makeup is not a permanent or semi-permanent , when you put it on your own face it rubs off, is effected by water, effected by heat, gets sticky, runs, and even if you try your hardest It wont last much longer than a day without looking a nasty mess. Most makeup can't be sealed properly... You play with a doll, lint will fall on it, wig rubs the face, you touch the face, maybe even pull clothes over the head.

It's not going to look how you want, its not even a good temporary solution.

 

SO basically got totally ripped off by this guy today and I ended up buying 70$ worth of this BellaPierre Mica stuff.

I was wondering if it was safe to use on resin (It's 100% Mica)
It would make me feel better that I wasted all my monies if I could use it on my dolls face too :P

http://www.bellapierre.com/

 

I use Pearl Ex, and I believe that is mica as well.^^

 

You should be fine as long as its oil free. Most makeup is oil free nowadays though.

 

Yes it is dreadfully expensive and I would not buy it to use on BJDs with that purpose in mind.

But since you are stuck with it Then yes, it is perfectly safe on BJDs.

 

I have heard from a few sources that if using make-up, you should only use mineral or talc based eye shadows because anything oil based will stain the resin.

A few of the posts on this thread seem to be saying the same thing. I am interested if anyone found any truth in that because alternate sources say that if you seal the doll enough they will be fine....

Personally, I have been staying away from using human make-up in my face ups for fear of it staining the resin.... any ideas anyone??

I think it would be sooo awesome to be able to use regular make-up...it already has the shine in it, and sooo many pretty shades!

thanks all

 

i'm wondering again here about eyeshadow.
I have some Max factor eyeshadow and its the perfect color that I want.

I don't see any oil listed. If I do several coats of MSC first can I use it?
Ingredients: Talc, Mica, silica, zink stearate, dinethicone, isononyl isinonanoate, ptfe, sorbic acid, methylparben, propylparaben, tetrasodium edta, butylparaben, trimethylsiloxysilicate, bht, zeolite, carylyl methicone.

God that was hard type all those with the itty bitty print.

 

umm I inherited a doll in a trade that always had been plied with people make-up as the owner bought her with no face-up and didn't know how to actually do a face up. This doll was so soiled and dirty from all this repeated use of oil based make-ups and other that I thought I would never get it clean.

It eventually was clean but boy was I tired!

If you want to "play" in that way, the Panpastels are ideal as you c an seal them on to stay or wipe them off to change them repeatedly. They come off very easy when not sealed.

They are alot of fun to experiment with colors and things..

 

But what if you want a permanent makeup for your doll? Can you use some kind of paint without the dolls original painted face getting screwed up disappear under neat the layer of paint?

 

You use paint or pastels. Please read any of the roughly one million threads on how to do faceups, or faceup supplies, or especially on how to add on to faceups or touch them up. For something like eyeshadow that you would want to be light, you use pastels.
Again, search is your friend.

Oh, and for the person a few posts ago who was mentioning that something is 100% mica powder, and they wanted to know if it was safe:
Mica is a mineral. Yes, it's fine to use. It's also very fun to play with if you get a sample before its being powdered, as the layers can be peeled apart and seen through. It used to be used for windows a long time ago. [/end geology lesson]

 

Mineral makeup is probably gonna be the only human makeup you can use safely. If it doesn't say "mineral" it's safest to not use it. >_>
I used some Ulta mineral powder eyeshadow and it was fine on my honey delf pudding and dollzone msd. The colour doesn't show up well but it was very sparkley.

 

i use a mineral make-up called GLOminerals
it's completely oil free and is in compressed powder form
it is highly pigmented
(which is why i think it'd be perfect on dolls)

and from what i've read in this thread
the answer is yes.
that i can use them and they won't stain or ruin my doll?

 

you know.... I asked this same question a while ago and i don't think it's "safe" to use CERTAIN human make up.... something about the pigment of the makeup affecting the resin? I don't know for sure. I'm not an expert as you can tell ^^;;;;

 

The stuff I use can (bella pierre). It's just narural crushed minerals. Nothing else in it what so ever (cause I'm allergic to everything under the sun ><) . Only problem is, because it's crushed minerals it's rather glittery, I have this clear shimmer powder that looks so nice on lips and cheeks Best part is because there's nothing in it, just add water to darken color You can add the powders to pretty much anything

 

i've read several posts in this thread
but no one has said anything about staining
that's about the only thing i'm worried about
my make-up is highly pigmented
i wouldn't have to add water to make it work
i just want to know if the high amount of pigment will stain the resin

 

I don't recommend it. Pastels are much better. If you must, double seal it before you try.

 

It shouldn't stain it as long as you properly seal the face beforehand, just as you would for pastels.

Basically all (high grade) paints are made of the same pigments - and suspended in various substrates. So the burnt umber pigment in oil paint is the same as in pastels... just suspended in a different medium. Same goes for makeup (that's why so many of the really high end professional makeups are so vivid/expensive, they contain real pigment instead of synthetic.)

The only exception is that makeups do not use the very toxic minerals that can be in paints (crimsons, cobalt, etc.) The only issue I would see with the makeup is that I doubt many of them very clearly list what all the ingredients are.

Sorry to ramble - too many years of art school I guess

 

I was told by a professional in the make-up industry, that even "non-oil" make-ups have SOME oil in them. it's what helps them adhere to the skin. I'd just completely stay away from human make-up. Some of the worst staining i've EVER seen has come from Mac Make-up.

 

I'd use mineral stuff only. The mineral eyeshadow I used was light green and sparkley, and left no staining at all.
You can see the green shiny-ness in their faceups.
This is how it looked on my dollzone msd:


And on my honey delf:

(There was also some extra glitter I glued around her eyes then put eyeshadow overfor her. That's why it's thicker and more glittery.)

 

Just make sure it has no oils, acids, or nasty perservatives that could damage the resin.
I believe that vegan/vegetarian make or mineral makeup would work, such as Hard Candy and Urban Decay[which has some lovely colours I would like to put on my Thaddeus.].

 

Can Mineral makeup powder- Bare minerals to be exact, be used on the resin skin for blushing? I have a lot of the "radiance" powders, and the colors would be perfect for realistic blushing.

 

While it can, the bare minerals are much more expensive than chalk pastels. Are you sure you want to waste them?

 

She wouldn't be waisting them, a light blushing for one or two sd heads won't take more than the size of my fingernail. Bare Minerals goes quite a long way, I've been using them for the last 5 years and I highly recommend them, but I missed when they were okay'd to be used on resin.

 

Since it's just a loose/compressed powder with nothing but minerals I'd think it'd be okay. But I don't have a doll yet, and that statement is based only on if they have oils in them or not. Obviously oils are bad for resin and you wouldn't want to use that!

 

I've just gotten my newest little resin girl, and for the first time I have a doll without a faceup. I want to play around with ideas a little bit before I bust out my paints, so I wonder if it's safe to use my makeup on her face.

It seems to me that since makeup is designed to go on the skin, it should be pretty gentle. Of course, i don't use anything oil-based.

What do you think?

 

Some pigments might stain. Better to take a picture and use photoshop.

 

I have used human eyeshadow on my dolls without any adverse effects. The pigment in those products is a fine powder and shouldn't stain, but I recommend some MSC or similar as a base coat to protect and give the makeup better grip.

 

Most makeup contains oil. Oil stains resin permanently. The only human makeup safe to use on resin is makeup which contains no oil, like pure minerals, which are more expensive than good pastels and watercolors.

 

I agree. I am also unsure how effective the combination of cosmetics and art materials would be. They might not play well together. Perhaps more inert neutral PH pigments would be better.

 

On the subject, does anyone know if Collection 2000 Dazzle Me dust is okay to add glimmer? It appears to be a fine, dry pigmented sparlkle dust when I put it on my wrist, but I can't find an ingredients list on the pot, or anything online, to definitely rule out oil. But it needs primer to stay on human skin, which might suggest it's oil-free? Maybe? *hopes*

Hobbycraft, the only decent sized craft shop in Bristol, apparently hadn't heard of mica, pearlescent powder or, in fact, anything that was used for making anything shine at all, despite a big scrapbooking section. Mind you, it may just be that their customer service is crap and they don't know their own stock, and that the girl at Customer Enquiries didn't know and couldn't be bothered to find out. (Typical British "customer service", arrgh.) On ebay, I can't find mica in less than six pot sets - and I just want a tiny bit of bronze shimmer!

 

I want just to ALTER his make-up a bit for a small bit of time. Is real make-up okay for the resin or should I just suck it up and do a real face-up alter?

 

Real makeup contains oils that can harm the resin. Quite honestly, you can buy the supplies needed to do a faceup for less than the cost of buying people makeup. Just get a few colors of pastels and some watercolor pencils, sealant, and gloss. :3 The result will be much better anyway.

 

Short answer: no.

Long answer: Unless you can be assured that whatever you are using (pigments) contains NO oil, you should not use human makeup. Most products DO have oil in them to help them look better on human skin. Oil ruins resin.

 

Ah, a'right! I need to redo his face-up, anyway. I just don't have much time or skill with a paintbrush and my mum (who's an artist) is WAY, WAY too busy to do it for me. Thought real make-up could do the trick.

Thanks, though!

 

I'm pretty sure Mac eye shadows and such don't contain oil >.> I remember seeing that somewhere

but I'm not 100% sure... so don't take my word for it

 

._. Stickies are our friends. This has been discussed over and over-next time, please do try a search before asking, there aren't many questions that this forum hasn't answered before.

 

Yeah, this's been answered before. Only mineral eyeshadow's okay. I've used some before. And you have to make sure in the ingerdients there's no oil. Some cheaper "mineral" makeup is questionable...
Pastels work pretty much the same anyway.

 

I wouldn't use real make up. As explained, the oils are harmful to the resin. Just use pastels and acrylic paints.

 

i have some eye shadow im thinking about using. its NYX chrome it comes in a little pot and its a loose powder. i have an ingredients list, just wondering if any of these put up a red flag in someones head as a NONO since i havent used it yet but contemplating it since we dont have a good craft supplie store here ^^

ingredients-
mica, ultramarine, iron oxide, C.I. Pigment, pearl powder

is it safe? =D cuz that would make my day.. im not good with faceups but ide like to experiment even a little

 

If that's all then yes it'll work fine. ;o
That's basically what's in mineral eyeshadows.

 

has anyone used real makeup for temporary face-up or is that not a good idea?

 

That's probably not a good idea seeing as real make up contains oils that can stain the resin.

 

Not a good idea as the have oils in them and oils tend to stain resin. Take a look in some of the other face up thread stickies in here and you will find some of the best materials to use ^_^ I prefer acrylics and chalk pastels.

 

No, make-up is generally a no-no. But make-up brushes, now there's a different story. I use Maybelline brushes for face-ups only, because they hold pastel wonderfully, and are nice and springy and precise.

 

make-up brushes... good to know thanks!

 

Before I do anything stupid.

Is there a difference between them? Can I use make up instead of pastel colors like some people do for art or will it mess up the resin?

I'm not sure if there is already a thread for this, but I really don't feel like hunting for one.

 

NEVER use makeup on faceups, it contains oils that can seep into resin.

Stick with pastels!!

 

Don't use make-up instead of pastels. >.<

Make-up can contain other stuff like chemicals or oils. Oils especially are bad for resin.

It's better to use cheap pastels rather than make-up, although if you'd like a point in the right direction, try dickblick.com and search for Rembrant pastels. You can buy them individually so you can get high quality pastels without spending too much money. Just remember to get soft pastels, not oil pastels!

EDIT:
http://www.dickblick.com/products/rembrandt-soft-pastels/

There's a link where you can buy them individually. ^_^