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Blushing in cold colours...?

Mar 30, 2005

    1. I am planning to get my beloved Himeno blushed. I have seen some gorgeous examples of blushed dolls, and it truly enhances their beauty if it is well done.

      Since my husband is the one with the artistic and model-painting experience, he's going to be the blush artist. I merely dabble on the painting side of creativity, and there will be no dabbling done on Himeno! :grin:

      But after thinking hard about it, he says that he thinks greyish purple would be the best colour to use. He also wants to add white highlights to Himeno.

      And I am sort of *_* ...! Yes, shadows on pale skin are greyish purple, not beige or pink, as every blush job I've seen. But....! :oops:
      The blushings I've seen done in warm colours look good if it's well executed. The resin looks more...real. That's been my goal for the doll I love so much. Would a blushing done with cold colours look even more naturalistic?

      Has anyone any sort of experience with working with cold colours on a BJD, or any thoughts on what the result would likely be?
       
    2. I would think the blushing is meant to show the colors real skin would have, not so much shadows. Shadows would change depending on the light. The blushing is just supposed to give a more warm feel to the doll, though I don't see why cold colors wouldn't work if that's the look you want. Just keep in mind if you "shade" her, rather than "blush" her, she might look odd in certain angles of light.
       
    3. This is Quiet Queen's Dragon speaking.

      Actually, "shading" is pretty much the effect I believe "blushing" often attempts to accomplish.

      What shading is for is essentially to compensate for scale.
      On any scale model, including one of the human body (such as a doll), the topography will by necessity be proportionally more shallow than would be the case in full scale. Shadows will then naturally be correspondingly less deep. Shading is applied in order to compensate for this, and make the model look more like the full scale original, by enhancing its three-dimensionality.
      This is why unblushed dolls seem "flat".

      It thus is a question of replicating the play of undirected light on the surface of the subject, along the nooks and crannies and recesses, and hills and ridges and peaks, that form its topography. This is why shading is best done in the palette that light on the subject will naturally form on its surface.

      Look at yourselves in a full-length mirror, in your birthday suits. Unless you've just stepped out from a sauna, you won't notice much blushing going on in many places - and least of all in the points where doll "blushing" usually is done, such as between the ribs or under the breasts. These are however all points where shading usually is applied - and you will notice the depth and contours of these features being defined by the play of light and shadow along them.

      For my own part, I find that "blushed" dolls, even well executed blushes, look somewhat unnatural, or as if they had just been through a most vigorous ... Finnish Sauna.

      As for the shading, it is, as I noted, only there to accentuate the three dimensions of the object. It only simulates the most general, ambient lighting, and is not intended to simulate shadows created by any specific light source.
      If you look around, you will notice light falling towards you from a variety of sources - astronomical sources (i.e. the sun, the moon, the stars) and lighting fixtures, of course ... but also light being reflected from shiny, or just light coloured, surfaces (windows, water, walls, etc). Some light is also diffused and spread as it propagates through the molecules in the air.
      Unless you are in an entirely black painted room, with only a single spot light as a light source - or in deep space - you will hardly be able to find any really deep shadows anywhere on your body. You will however find some places where there is a bit more shade than in others, and some places where there is a bit more highlight than in others - and these places remain fairly constant, no matter how you turn in the light.
      You will also find that the skin in the shaded places seems no more blushed that in any other place. What it does seem is slightly garyish-purplish compared to the other surfaces.

      This is the effect shading simulates, and I feel it is also the effect that blushing seeks to emulate, albeit with a less than optimal palette.

      As the shading only simulates the effects of ambient light and not of any specific light source, there is no danger that the doll would look strange in some certain lighting.

      The Dragon has spoken.
       
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    4. Well, I'd say that it both does and does not help when you're dealing with a scale change... Personally, I wouldn't blush under the ribs so much, but I'd blush around joints, the tips of fingers, etc etc...

      In truth, to give a truly natural feeling, you'd have to blush with both a warm color and a light cool color-- there are many places where sunlight wouldn't hit a body very often and that skin would be light-- almost white with bluish undertones (the best example I can think of would be a woman's breast). At the same time, there are places where the skin might be a bit more orangy/tan/reddish, such as the tops of the arms and hands, where sunlight would hit and give the skin more color.

      Because the doll's resin is so flawless, it's going to be difficult to get the slight mottling of real skin...

      As far as faces, it's a mix of shading as well as differences in where the blood vessels in the skin are near to the surface. I once looked at a study of different people's faces and how different areas get increased blood flow while others don't-- it seemed as if half the people in the study got increased blood flow to the skin on their noses (turning them red), while others did not get much blood flow to their nose (someone like myself) and it remained pale.

      As far as using cooler colors, I'd say you'd have to choose carefully-- these dolls are very pale as it is, and adding cooler colors as blush might make them look more like a corpse.

      I would say the /best/ solution is not to use warm or cold colors, but mix your colors or choose pastels that are not quite as saturated as the pinks and reds and oranges we tend to see-- mixing powdered pastel would be a pain, so if you can find a pastel that is in the same hue as what you desire, but not as saturated, that may help achieve the more realistic shadowed blush you're looking for-- such as in the ear, under the chin, around the eyes.. whatever you're looking for. But also use more saturated colors (not oversaturated, just more saturated and maybe a bit lighter than your shadow blush) in areas where there would not be so much shadow-- on the cheeks, the forehead, etc etc.

      The one oddity I /have/ found makes a doll look better is a bit of blushing/shadow blushing at the headcap towards the forehead.. adds a little depth to the skin under the hair in the wig, if your wig has bangs.

      Anyway, since these dolls, while small, aren't /quite/ as small as garage kits and resin statues that do require a lot of shading to make them look more realistic (again, as you said, to make up for the lack of natural lighting to scale), these dolls may not need quite as much.

      Good luck!
       
    5. *****n/a*****
       
    6. The Dragon, again.

      This is indeed the conventional recommendation when painting garage kits, and the like. It is also frequently used in cel-shading. My personal opinion however is that it tends to make models look somewhat tanned (it usually works well in cels though - but on the other hand, cel-shading isn't quite naturalistic, either).

      If you want to preserve the "pale beauty" look of the lighter resins, without making it look tanned or unduly flushed, it seems that a colour that subtly marks that shade, while very gently bringing forth the blue of sub-dermal veins, would be the way to go.

      In any case, as with all shading, subtlety is of course essential. Saturated colours are naturally out of the question (shudder).

      Thanks for all the comments, though!
      By the way, shadrad - what brand of colours do you use?

      The Dragon will now go to sleep...
       
    7. My doll's body isnt blushed but the blushing of his faceup is done in greyish purple and it definitely works. Even where it is quite heavy, it is difficult to photograph so that it shows up as blushing and not just natural shadows. So I think there is definite potental.
       
    8. I haven't actually purchased any pastels specifically for faceups yet... and I was about to head to the supply store today to see what they offer. Worse comes to worst I'd be asking my friends to head to the supply store at the art college I used to go to and pick up some specifics for me (making sure, of course, that they were oil and grease free).

      truth be told, with most of my art I tend to not be terribly specific with which kind of brand I want for this or that.. the only liquid medium where I'm that picky is when I ink my drawings with a manga pen, and I only use one sort of ink... and truth be told, I can't remember the name of it, I just remember what the box and bottle looks like >_<;;; So I can point and say, 'That's the one!' or say, 'No, no, that one sucks!'

      Ehehe.. yeah, I suck >_>;
       
    9. The Dragon is sleeping, but since I am home with a cold I am still awake! :oops:

      Thank you for your insights and ideas!

      Himeno is a Cyndy 1, SD13 normal pureskin. The goal is to give her a natural but paleskinned look, absolutely not tanned or flustred! She is a goth girl, after all...
       
    10. I've been trying to experiment with different colors and blushing for awhile now - but once I heard that the doll you are trying to blush is normal skin, I'd sooner recommend not blushing her at all! I did very natural and subtle blushing on my Anais, but it still made her look much darker skintoned. I tried pinks, oranges, and brownish hues, but they all had the "tanning" effect. Granted, she looks much more alive, but my unblushed SD13 looks much paler. You could try the purple-grey blushing, but somehow I think the effect would be the same.
       
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