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3D Sculpt VS Real Clay Sculpt $$$

Mar 23, 2021

    1. Since I have been heavily debating making my own BJD, my main concerns are with budget/money.

      So in YOUR experience either how much did the cost of everything come down to?

      Costs you may want to include are 3D modeling programs, clay price, 3d printing prices, casting prices.

      Basically, everything that costs money in order to create your finished doll! (not including knowledge)


      So share with me your steps and how much it cost altogether!
       
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    2. This is one of those questions that is almost impossible to anwer simply because there are too many variables.

      A big one is, what is your starting point? A lot of the initial material costs will be in tools and materials needed to learn your chosen medium. Once you build up some experience you will be able to work with less and less waste, but the very first project will always be a lot of experimenting and that can add up fast.

      Another thing to consider is time spent. Will you calculate the hourly cost of working on the project or is it materials and tools alone that counts? There are some very cheap doll materials out there, at least for the original sculpt, if you don't mind a more laborious process. And there are time saving tools that may cost you a bit of extra money, but can save you many hours of tedious work.
      The size of the doll also matters.

      I have never done digital sculpting, so my own experience is for traditional only.
      The main material costs to get started is the clay, any materials needed for cores and armatures etc. tend to be fairly cheap and easy to improvise if needed.
      The silicone for the molds are probably going to be the biggest purchase, as far as materials go, but since you can reuse the mold the cost gets spread out over the number of dolls you cast, so take that into consideration when planning the project.
      The resin itself is expensive-ish, but it's the waste from bad casts and leftovers that will make it bad if you don't pay attention to it.
      And then there is all the little things. The primer, the pigments, the mold release etc. These things can sneak up on and add a lot to total costs. For one thing your first choice may not work out and you may need to try several different products before finding the best fit for your project. For another they will eventually run out so you may need to buy more as you go.
      What tools you need will depend a lot on your chosen materials and your process.
      Then there are the other things that gets used up and needs replacing over and over, such as gloves, filters for your mask, sandpapers, disposable tools such as measureing cups, stirring sticks etc.

      You also need a place to work. Somewhere with good ventilation and a good control over the enviroment, out of limits from any children, freeroaming pets or uninitiated adults. Depending on the materials you use you may need additional facilities such as water, drain, oven, hot plate etc.
      If you allready have such a place you can probably adapt it for your needs at very low cost, but if you don't then that's another cost to take into account.

      I can't give you any numbers but I can tell you that your first doll (if you go all the way to casting and are not simply making a one off artist doll) is going to be quite a bit more expensive than a ready made doll would be.

      But on the other hand, if you already know that you want to do this kind of thing, you can get started with very little money spent!
      Most people will start out with a nice idea, a slab of clay, some improvised sculpting tools (anything like toothpicks, rounded pen caps, brush handles, wood carved into shape etc.) and a lot of free time. Then as time goes by they will uppgrade and expand as needed. No two people work the same way or have exactly the same needs, so if you have the time it makes sense to let it grow organically.

      I know I didn't answer your main question, but oh well. Take it for what it's worth.
      And best of luck, regardless of how you choose to handle it! :)
       
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    3. I made my doll digitally.

      Blender is a free program.

      Prototyping can be expensive, I have a filament printer at home, so cost per unit is cheaper, but initial cost is higher.

      3D printing the master sculpt can be very expensive, I recommend SLA printing. It cost over $340 for my 1/4 scale female doll.

      Silicone cost will depend on what type and brand you buy. The type I buy is about $20 per pound if you buy in bulk(10 pounds).

      The cost of resin will depend on the type and brand.
       
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    4. Y

      You did more than answer my question! I think knowing an approximate for everything put together is important in itself and you have me a really great idea of all the variables that come into play with traditional sculpting! So thank you very much! ♡
       
    5. Happy to have been of use.

      Missing from @SereneBeautyBJDs list is a computer with good grahpics capabilities and a good enough monitor. Again things that you may already have, but a potentially large investment if you start from nothing. It's also one that will eventually be outdated and require replacement, allthoguh how often that will happen in impossible to predict.
      If you do one single doll project that will probably not be a problem, but if you intend to this regularly in the future it's worth taking into account as the dolls will have to "pay" for that (either if you sell them or through the value they hold to you if you make them just for yourself).

      But just as with workrooms and other such things, you can usually multitask your space and equipment if you have other similar hobbies. My own work room is used for mask making, leather work, basic carpentry, and light armor making as well as for dolls, for example.
       
    6. @Lillith I made my doll on my 7 year old laptop. I do not have a powerful PC. It mainly struggled when there were a lot of models that were very high resolution, but I resolved this by opening them in a new file, which wasn't overburdened. Blender runs well on older hardware.
       
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    7. That is fair enough, but you will still need a computer of some sort. If you already have one you obviously don't need to buy one, but it is another piece of equipment to take into consideration. Not all pople will start out with the same stuff.
       
    8. Just to add to that computer point; if you don't have one, then it is an investment yes, but here's a bit of advice from somebody who has a workstation:

      These days powerful PCs have become a status symbol among gamers, and you'll frequently find computer specs discussion skewed heavily in favour of rigs that can put up with the latest video games. Be wary of this, because specs that are suited for video games are not the same as specs that are suited to a workstation computer. You absolutely do not need the latest nvidia 3090 GPU for 3D work for example, and you will be throwing money down the drain if this is what you buy a $600+ GPU for. As in you will genuinely be wasting your money. Be careful about computer advice you read and check whether it's skewed towards how well a rig can run Red Dead Redemption 2, etc.

      Like @SereneBeautyBJDs , I have made my models on a 10 year old workstation, which has - you guessed it - a GPU from 10 years ago, and a middling one at that. You can see my sculpt in the workshop area, an old computer is definitely capable. What you actually need is a good CPU and good RAM - that's why my workstation from 10 years ago has been able to perform to date. A good GPU can be beneficial in some areas, but has extremely little bearing on 3D work.

      If you've got anything that is a basic personal computer, then you can run Blender, or the free version of ZBrush, and start sculpting straight away. You may want to invest in a graphics tablet/stylus input device for sculpting which will cost money, or if you happen to own an iPad and Pencil, there is an app that lets it act as an input for Mac.

      If you don't have a basic personal computer and you'd need to buy one, make sure you don't get sucked in by the whole gamer-PC song-and-dance (unless you want a gaming PC! Then by all means, go wild!). $300 to $500 should net you something extremely capable, since a solid amount of RAM is standard on everything now. You don't need 10+ CPUs because if you're sculpting, you won't be rendering, so again a basic machine would do you fine.

      However, I think if you really are starting FULLY from scratch and don't even have a computer, then you should try traditional sculpting first! It has a lower initial investment (you could buy the cheapest clay and craft materials for your first attempts), and you'd be able to find out whether you actually like it or not without breaking the bank. In the end, in terms of the actual skills involved and utilised, there is no real distinction between traditional and digital - you need to understand anatomy and 3D form either way. So you may as well get started the most economical way until you've decided whether or not it's for you! After that point, then you can decide whether you want to start throwing money into it, and which directions you want to throw the money in. Once you've made your first basic clay dolls, then you will know what you do or don't like.
       
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    9. If you have never tried digital art before I recommend starting sculpting with clay. Some digital sculpting programs/supplies can get quite pricey like drawing tablets and 3D printers. One thing I highly recommend is making a list of the costs of different requirements for 3D sculpting vs clay sculpting. Since prices/availability of materials varies depending on your country researching materials and costs will be very helpful.
      I have only ever made a 1/3 scale (57cm) doll using polymer clay so certain materials will be more expensive or cheaper depending on the size of your doll and what you make it from.

      These are just the rough estimates of the costs of making a 1/3 scale doll so keep in mind that it could cost more/less.

      For clay sculpting, you will probably need
      -Sandpaper (you will need multiple different grits to get a smooth finish)
      -Clay (I bought around 4 pounds for a 57cm doll)
      -Elastic (thicker elastic for the torso/legs and thinner elastic for the arms)
      -Armature (wire for fingers, floral foam/aluminum foil for the torso)
      -Sculpting tools (this is optional if you have items around the house you could use like toothpicks, sewing needles, etc.)
      -Neodymium magnets (if you don't make a head cap or magnet hands/feet you might not need them)
      -BJD hooks/wire (to attach the head, hands, and feet)
      -Dremel tool optional (honestly getting one of these made my life so much easier and it was only around $65)
      -Primer (be careful with primers if you are using polymer clay because some of them can ruin your clay)

      I spent around $200 USD on my 57cm doll prototype. It would cost more/less depending on the size of your doll and if you bought more expensive equipment.

      The molding/casting process is by far the most expensive part regardless if you choose 3D sculpting or clay sculpting. Especially since you need some expensive equipment to get professional results / on-topic dolls.
      -Mold making silicone
      -Urethane resin
      -Pigment
      -Respirator mask
      -Mold release spray
      -Pressure chamber+acessories (only if you need professional quality castings or are planning on selling dolls)
      - Vacuum chamber+acessories (I highly recommend this to ensure that your mold/castings don't have large bubbles)

      (when you cast resin it is also important to have a separate room with good ventilation because the fumes can be toxic)

      And that would be around $285 USD without the professional equipment but a vacuum and pressure chamber could add $350-450 USD.

      So in total, the price could range from $485-935 USD for an SD-sized doll. The smaller the doll the less money you will end up spending so I highly recommend starting small.

      This got a bit long but I hope it helps you, good luck! :)
       
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    10. For my sculpting project, I went digital because I hate using clay because I always jab my fingernails in and make a dent. Also symmetry tool :D

      It rolls out to be like:

      Stuff I already had
      iMac $2,399
      Huion Drawing Display $458.14
      Sandpaper I dunno $5-$10???

      Stuff I Bought
      Zbrush $716
      Elegoo Mars 2 Pro Printer $323.24
      Approximately $20 of resin ($30/bottle and I used maybe a little more than half a bottle on printing 10 different head iterations)
      Mr Surfacer $11
      Rotary tool $20
      Microsander $70 (tbh it's like an overpowered electric toothbrush with sandpaper sticky taped to it, but it is excellent for flat surfaces)

      Still working on getting to casting.


      ........my dollmaker career is gonna need to sell a lot of dolls before I make all of this back :chomp:Labor of loveeeeeeeee
       
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