Pliver Vs. Hot Glue?

I don't understand why you're comparing glue to animal skin..one is a bonding agent and one is what you use to make a doll pose better. Hot glue does not hurt resin at all, if it did then Volks wouldn't use hot glue to hold eyes.

 

i know this is not the answer you were looking for, but i am curious as to how you go about sueding with hot glue? it sounds miraculous! and, if i find out how to do it, i will totallly tell you which i prefer, as i already have pliver-sueded dolls.
Thanks!

 

I've never heard of pouring hot glue into a doll's joints to make them hold better, but I'd much prefer suede or pliver..it just sounds more appealing. My F-15 was sueded by Volks and I just adore his posing, but their suede is a lot heavier and rougher than pliver.

 

I have a friend who uses hot glue- it holds the joints better than pliver, which has a tendancy to slip. It's also easier to replace. His doll stands much better with the glue than the pliver.

Usagi- it's actually quite common- I;ve seen loads of dolls that have had it done, but I think it;s one of those things that just doesn;t get talked about much.....

Persoanlly, I don;t use anything on my dolls, and they pose just fine as is. ^_-

 

My Soony has been hot glued, and I swear by it. I will never suede with anything else, as it's alot easier to obtain, replace, and re-do then sueding with either pliver or suede.

Hot glue CAN probably damage, but that's only if you have a giant glob on the resin. Because the inside of the glue cools slower then the outside, which gives the heat time to distribute to the resin.
In sueding, because you're spreading the glue while it's still pretty hot, the glue doesn't have time to get to the resin before it cools after you spread it, you really don't have to worry about the glue damaging the resin.

As said, I swear by hot-glue sueding, and offer it in my esthetics shop. It may be the only type of sueding I will do!

And even if the doll isn't REALLY tight(my soony sure isn't. XD), it still will hold more normal poses really well.

 

too bad it doesn't work well with tiny sized dolls. ;-; I had to pull it out of my joong because it took up too much room in his tiny joints.

 

I sueded my Yo with *really* thin pliver, but she's 10" so maybe the tinies you're talking about are smaller?

 

Ok, so I am about to restring and suede several dolls. I was going to use my pliver, but this has me intigued. The hot glue once dry does not just pop-off like hot glue can sometimes do?

Lishe

 

Nope-in fact, in my experience it's really hard to get rid of when you do want to remove it!

 

Wolfie- Oh well that leads to another question! How often does it need replaced and how do you remove it?

Lishe

 

My Soony has been hot-glue sueded for about a month and a half, and so far I've only had to replace two spots: her knees and her neck, as they're the parts that move the most. However, these areas weren't as well spread as the other spots, so that could have resulted in the glue coming off.
It seems like it lasts quite a while(it's lasted longer then when I sueded my LJ with suede), and even so, re-doing it isn't difficult at all, and hardly takes up time.

 

Hmm, this sounds really interesting. I can see how hot glue would make a good 'suede'. It's slightly squishy, not really slippery, and is it's own adheasive. I'd love to try this, but the gluegun I have melts glue WAY too hot, and is hella difficult to control how much glue goes where. :/ (it needs to be tossed, especially since I'm clumsy)

I might just try this if I get the cold heat glue-gun I've got my eye on.

 

I have pliver sueding on Riku and it worked well, but not as well as I had hoped. I wired him and loved his posing, but when I blushed him and strung him again I didn't put the wires back in... and I remember how much I loved his legs being a little floppy... ;-; Now I really don't know what to do with him because I want him to pose well but I don't want him to become too rigid. Although, for cons I like him to be poseable more than cuddly, so I think I will try hot glue sueding on him for that. And as amazing as it is that your doll can stand on his hands... Riku's heart hands won't permit that I am sure. XD

If it works out well on Riku, I may try it on Dee, who poses superbly already. I would be interested to see what the addition of sueding would do for her.

But I have a question... Since you live where I lived for two recent years of my life, I can pose this question to you with great understanding. Does heat affect the glue at all? Have you ever had a hot glue sueded doll outside for an extended period of time in a Florida summer day?

Another thing is, should we get a new name for hot glue sueding as it isn't acctually suede... XD

 

I tried this with my SD10 girl after reading about it a couple months ago. I couldn't get the glue thin enough and her joints looked really funny. Maybe I wasn't patient enough to spread it thin enough. Maybe I'll give it another try. Those SD10 oldskin crazy legs drive me nuts!! @.@

 

Apparently me + heat + resin = BAD (as a misguided ear-piercing attempt last night proved), so I thought of something different to try....

I was thinking "Obviously me and heat is not a good mix... So what's like hot glue, but not hot? And resin-safe?" Answer: Acrylic Matte Medium! So I'm trying it right now.... Painted it nice and smooth on the inside of all the joints on one of my boy's legs, and it's drying. I'll let you guys know how it goes!

Apparently mine is a hot-melt gun....Didn't know that before. Ugh. Any advice on getting THAT out?

 

comicbookartistboi-That Poseability is Awesome!

I havent tried it. But I am very temped. I do need to find my Low melt glue gun though- all I can find right now is my Hot melt Gun.

So basically I would put a bead line of glue in the joint - Thin it out with your finger...Like how thin? About as think as a Suede Cloth?

Also- I have never re-strung a doll & Im not ready to try it.

Does it seem to work good- even if the doll isnt strung really tight?

 

Hayden is hot glued. He can hold his arm out straight, as well as his legs... and he is soooooo loosely strung it's not funny. I swear by it.

 

I tried this tonight with our Yuuko. I must say that I am very pleased with the result. Yuuko is a Luts Soony and had some serious kicking going on. Now she is nice and stable.

I had a small bowl of water hand to dip my finger into before smoothing the glue. It really helps to minimize any burning.

 

Oh, I remember reading about this. They did this at the .. beauty shop thingy at a Volks ... whatever. Party. They had someone adjusting tension and sueding, and he used the hot glue method to suede. People were surprised, but they said it turned out well, too. Huh. I've got to try it some time.

 

Yeah, I've heard about it before too, it's a pretty old method, it's nothing new or "newly discovered" by anyone recently, just not very common because people are like "buh...?" when you mention it.

I've been thinking of sueding my Unoss this way ever since I got her, she was so floppy lol.

 

I was wondering, when you use hot glue do the joints not squeak a bit?

 

I haven't noticed any squeeking.

 

OMG, TELL ME ABOUT IT!! I got an oldskin SD10 boy's body, and I can't get his legs on straight for beans!!! I wired him, and that didn't help, and I was at a loss on what to do about it, I totally forgot about this glue method! Thanks for the pics comicbookartistboi!

It kinda reminds me of the Volks' KIPS system, like how the KIPS system uses little silicone balls to provide traction between the joints? Ghetto KIPS, hooray! XP

 

Hey, this sounds like magic! How do you apply the hotglue, where and how much? I want to give it a try too.

 

Echo's joints were pretty smooth right from the start and Atan still won't sit well after a number of tightenings so I may whip out the hot glue gun today. :3

 

^__^ yo comicbookartistboi !

you should do a tutorial here on how to do this. so we know exactly where to apply the glue!!

 

Can you use the low melt glue?

 

I tried this on my Angel Region Fair girl after seeing this thread last night. Here are my results:

Before: kicky legs, would NOT stand without wire, arm movement was good, but they would not keep a pose for very long

Now: stands by herself- with little effort!, can stand on one foot for -short- amounts of time, can do the most amazing arm movements for her sculpting- and can hold them!! (ex: holding arms above head, behind body, straight infront, etc.)

conclusion: Hot Glue= my newest love!!! it even works as anti-slip on the bottoms of the fleece slippers I just made! XDD

 

well I finally got the guts to try hot gluing. I did it on Dee since, well, honestly, she cost half as much as Riku. x.x Anyways, she can now stand on her head... for hours. o.O As for one foot, I got her on it for a couple seconds, but then she tipped. She certainly poses much better and I didn't tighten her stringing. I was just amazed when she acctually stood on her hands. x.x'

Edit: Anybody tried this on a tiny yet?

 

I've had trouble making my Bishonen House stand or hold poses... this might be the answer...

 

I just wanted to report that I did try this on my oldskin SD boy... and it worked wonders!! No longer is he the greatest doll Elvis impersonator in the world! ...in other words, his hips don't swivel around like crazy anymore. In fact, he stood on one foot yesterday!!

BTW, I bought a cheap-o little low heat glue gun for $1.99! And the glue was only like 99 cents I think! You could do this with pocket change, people! What are you waiting for!?

 

AH if ever there were a fool proof way to suede a tiny, I would get down on my knees and kiss the feet of the one who showed me... x.x

Also, if you dip your finger in cold water before rubbing the glue, it isn't hot at all. By the time your finger notices the heat, it is cooling off, plus the glue doesn't stick to your finger this way.

 

Figured I'd post a pic as proof myself that hot glue sueding works. Here is Dee the Amazing Handstanding Chick!

 

I hot glue sueded my babies, and it really does work wonders!

 

I wish I had tried the cold water thing--because believe me it IS hot. Anyhow I used the hot glue on my Notdoll Ligaya who wouldn't hold any position except a sit and DollnDoll Shade who could stand but had horrendously kicky legs. And then I used it on Banji. Worked on all.

 

if some of you guys are worried about the hot glue, or just need a little help, put tacky glue in the cups as if you were doing hot glue, smooth it a bit, let it dry and it works!

 

Actually, that sounds like an even better idea than the hot glue!

 

One thing I've noticed about tacky glue (from other crafts) is that it can get gooey in humidity and such though, so you'll want to be careful.

 

I've been having issues with my lati blue, she has pretty knees, but they would never lock and it would take alot of fiddlign to get a good position. (maybe it was just the loose torso peice, but..)
once I restrung her, she stood the first time. I didn't even have to fiddle with her, I just set her down and she stood!

 

eh, at least winter is coming up here. that means no moisture in the building till april.

 

XD True. It gets pretty cold in Ohio, huh? So you wouldn't have to worry about humidity and such for awhile.

 

I'm sure not as cold as chicago XD but it does get very dry

 

Hot glue is also a lot easier to get off than old pliver. :/ the hot glue seems less likely to go smooth like the pliver does over time- which is what causes the pliver to stop providing the friction needed to keep the doll posing well. It helped a lot more with my hound's stupid middle joint than the pliver did. :/

 

I havn't tried hot glue on my boy yet (but I'm planning on it) but I tried suadeing with sheepskin and it was downright icky. He didn't really pose any better, and the suadeing eventually came off all filthy and groos. I picked it out in the end, and he's really better without it.

EDIT: Inspired by this thread, I tried hot glue for my doll's joints this evening. Not only was is much quicker and easier then with the skeepskin, but it works WONDERS!! I went ahead and glued in his eyes too, since I never move them and the putty I had in there was sticky and nasty. Anyway, he can do amazing things with his arms now HORRAY

 

I've used latex hair glue before and it works really well and it isn't water souluable so no problems with humidity. You can pick it up at places that sell hair weaving supplies. It will aslo peel up off of the resin really easily when you want it to.

 

I just tried this after reading the thread... it worked SO well on Aiden, that he too can handstand DD
I'm still afraid to try it on Elliot... him being my first (and more expensive :P) doll I want to see what the long term affects are first :P

 

this is really interesting. Pliver is a pain. The sueding map I have doesn't even fit the joints, and I have to customize it every time I suede a new doll :/