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PanPastels

Apr 20, 2008

    1. Anyone tried PanPastels for face-ups yet? I'm considering ordering a set and wondered if anyone's tried them. These are new on the market and pastel artists seem very excited about them. Very smooth, low dust artist quality pastels packaged in a pan format, like make-up. They would seem to have some bonus qualities for face-ups. Colors can be mixed and applied like paint with special sponge/brushes. Colors are very velvety and can be applied in a veil or very intensely. Of course you can mix them with regular stick pastels, too. I'd like to hear what your experience is with them!

      Here's their website if you want to have a look~

      http://www.panpastels.com
       
    2. Haven't tried them, but I just ordered some from cheap joes, and will report back when i get the chance to use them.
       
    3. I've seen them... They are a little on the expensive side and the color might be too intense for dolls. Unless you really want intense colors... I did use their applicators with other pastels to do face ups and they work wonderfly well.
       
    4. They work wonderfully, go on super smooth and bright. I emailed the company and asked about any oil content just to be save and there is none. I'm redoing a faceup and will post pics soon. (Gods if I can ever get this project at work done) I also have some sitting on the uncoated inside of a headcap to double test staining.
       
    5. acexkeikai, the colors can be mixed and there are plenty of pale tints. One of the reasons I liked the idea is that you don't have to invest in a huge array of colors as you might with the stick pastels, these are more like paints with basic colors you work from. Plus, you get (I think they said) 33% more pastel than in a standard size stick.

      Theoretically, you can get the entire set of 60 some odd colors for a couple of hundred dollars, if you wanted to go that route. It would be considerably more expensive if I were to try that with the Schminke pastels I already use. And I like the storage idea.

      I'm anxious to hear how everyone likes them, I think I'm going to order some, too.

      I just got back from a local art shop that had a few samples they were willing to let me play with. I'm really impressed with these pastels, they gave me about 6 very brilliant intense colors, and I thought, acexkeikai's right, these are really intense, maybe not gonna work? But no, you can apply the color solidly nearly like solid paint with the make-up sponge-type tools, or you can apply it very delicately depending on how much pigment you pick up and how much pressure you use. They blend out to nothing, just a whisp, and you can apply it with small paint brushes, too. About four people in the shop saw me experimenting with them, and all four of them bought some to take home, too. I think they're wonderful.

      I can't wait to see daniblue's face-up!
       
    6. Yes I used them on my dolls, they go on very SMOOTH, totally safe for the resin as they have even less binders in them than rembrants. My roomate is currently using them on doll tattoos and I'm using them for faceups. they totall reduce the mess. My only complaint. when you get a stacked set.. some times they can be hard to seperate.
       
    7. Does anyone have or has anyone used the colors considered "tint" instead of "shade"? I haven't seen these in person. Was just curious.
       
    8. that indicates if they have added black or gray to it to make it a tone darker or not than the pure color. I have about 15 of the colors in my house between myself and my roomate. I use the drawing set
       
    9. I ordered the portrait set, and I like them very much! Mrs Collins, the sets include both tints and shades, with tints being the base color plus white, and shades the base color plus black in most cases. You can buy them one at a time or in sets. I feel like there are a couple of colors that I would like to have premixed as "go-to" colors, but I haven't had the time to do that. It does take a couple of minutes to stack them back together which can be a pain, but the end effect is that they are stored nicely so at least thus far I've been good about putting them away. I haven't had time to try a face-up yet, my latest doll needs quite a bit of sanding to get ready and I haven't had the time yet. But I think I'm going to prefer these pastels to the Schminckes I was using, they're really incredibly smooth and fun to use.
       
    10. Ahh they are definitely worth a try. I've been drawing for years before getting into BJDs and I've not seen anything to compare to these. :)
       
    11. i've seen these but I wanted to see owner pictures of faceups done by panpastels before I bought them since they're relevantly pricey. ^^;

      soo...does anybody have pictures of faceups done by these wonderful pastels? I'd love to see :3
       
    12. My camera is in repair right now, so I can't give you photos yet. I love working with these, they're outstanding for face-ups. And it's brought me back to painting with pastels on paper, too... they're inspiring!
       
    13. I did blushing with them, very smooth and gives great color! I can't post any pics since all my girls are with my friend since I'll be on vacation soon. But, I would recommend them to people, you can get them at cheap Joe's art supply for less than other places charge for them.
       
    14. Anyone got any pictures of faceups done with these? I have a boy who's supposed to have very dark red eyeshadow and it usually turns out looking too pink. ;_;
       
    15. These look interesting and almost idiot proof...Would they work, do you think, to do the nails and blush paws on a tiny anthro? Could really blend color. Would just spray with MSC, then use a brush for nails, sponge for paws, then MSC. Would that work? I have a good bit of crafting/art experience, but very little bjd experience, and am scared to destroy a very expensive little friend...thanks in advance for input.
       
    16. I did this with Panpastels... It's not that great cause it is my first but the quality of the pastels is excellent, really soft, not a lot of dust.

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    17. i highly recommend pan pastels. i tried rembrandt but could not get a rich, or even tone. i bought a set of pan pastels and it changed my life!
       
    18. [​IMG]



      This is my Supia Roda, done with Panpastels. I supplement sometimes with Schminke pastels, I find them softer and easier to crush than the others, but that's just me. For the most part, IMHO Panpastels are the best for face-ups.


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      And this is my tiny Bracken, by Tinybear... I did his face-up with Panpastels, too, although this is my second rate camera's photo, so you don't see the colors as well.
       
    19. Nepenthe, I had Schminkes (I think I'm spelling it wrong) before I found the Panpastels, just for regular pastel painting. They have a couple of colors I like for face-ups, but you could mix them just the same with Panpastels. Since they're still here in my studio, I sometimes use them, too. And vice-versa for pastel painting, the Panpastels are REALLY fun to paint with. Yeah, I
      :aheartbea the TB dolls!

      Miss Ally, thank you very much... though it's kind of hard to make Roda look bad, she's such a nice sculpt!
       
    20. While I'd love to try these, it would cost me £7 just to get one colour! I have to say the price is quite off-putting at first glance! ;~;

      This is a dumb question: how do you go about using them? Do you just wipe the brush over the actual pastel? I've been grinding pastels onto paper for face-ups so far ^^
       
    21. I bought a set, I think it was around $60 USD, if I remember right...I shopped around on the web for a good price. I'd like to slowly add more sets just because I like working with these. They come with sponge-like applicators if you buy a set, but you can apply them with whatever you like. They're basically different shaped make-up sponge tips on various tools, also available separately. You also get some wedges of make-up sponges as well. No grinding, very little excess dust, extremely smooth.

      The sets aren't cheap but neither are sets of any other paints if you get good quality materials. You get a huge amount of color in one container, too. I think when bought singly they are more pricey, last time I looked. Yes, you can use a brush and just wipe it onto the pastel. If you forget to wipe clean your applicator before you dip into the pastel, just wipe the top of the pastel off to remove any color contamination.
       
    22. I went down to my local art store and got a bunch of these pastels. I think they were $7 canadian each (so yes, kinda expensive :sweat).

      I just finished some faceups with them and I love them alot. They are sooooo smooth. I love not having to grind pastels and end up with splotchyness if I mess up. The colors are really nice too. I definetly like them over Rembrandt pastels.
       
    23. Hi, was wondering if anyone could help me out;
      So I went to an art supply store to pick up a few more pastels before starting Zaffy and my TE Sha's face-ups and I found PanPastels (they're already in powder form so I figured it'd be easier than having to shave the sticks, plus the colors are pretty vibrant which is what I'm going for) and I was wondering if they're safe to use? They seem to be just powder, definitely not oil.
      They look like they would work so I went ahead and got some, but if they turn out unusable for the face-ups I can always use them for school n_n;

      Here's the site http://www.panpastel.com/about.html
       
    24. I just started experimenting with body blushing and I bought a variety of pastels to test out - Rembrandt, Schminke and PanPastels. By far, my favorites are PanPastels. They are very easy to use, especially for a beginner with no art background. The colors are very vibrant and pigmented, even for the very light colors. I find that these are akin to using makeup, which I am very familiar with, unlike art supplies. I use both brushes and sponge applicators and the results I get are very impressive. Also, I found that using high quality makeup brushes, specifically, eye shadow brushes, are great with these pastels, as these types of brushes are made to pick up powder more effectively.

      Quality-wise, I like Schminke as well, but I find them messier and more difficult to store than PanPastels, which is a big deal to me as I am a neat freak :lol:
       
    25. I use these now. i live by them. They are awesome. Love how smoothly they go on, how you don't have to as much. They are much less tedious than the older pastels.
       
    26. I got an amazing deal on their whole collection for about 75% off around this last Holiday quarter, and I must say they are amazing. I also have a couple of other chalk pastels - Prismacolor brand - and the colors aren't even comparable in terms of intensity. You don't need to shave them down at all - they are so soft and packed full of pigment that even lightly running your pastel brushes over them will do the trick.

      That said, when I applied some of the pigments to a doll which I had dyed using RitDye, there was some odd discoloration. I assume the pastels did not agree with the dye + the MSC layer I had sprayed on. Instead of it evening out the yellow dye I had applied to the doll (I had dyed a Pipos bao yellow to look like a Jolteon) it turned every spot where I'd applied it a weird orange color. The Pan pastel I had used was a golden yellow color - definitely not orange - and it looked yellow when I initially applied it. So, if you're planning on using these to even out a dye job, I would caution you against it!
       
    27. Can anyone who uses these recommend their favorite / most used colors? I'm wondering things like is Burnt Sienna Tint or Ochre Tint closer to a typical resin 'normal skin'? Do you blush with something like Red Iron Oxide Tint, or something darker? How well do they mix, can I get shades of gray out of black and white, or should I just get some shades of gray? Etc.

      Thanks in advance!
      -Morgan
       
    28. i do all all of my face ups using them now!

      it's a lot easier to get a dark shade of eyeshadow like you want with them

      the only thing is i wouldn't really recommend them for beginners because if your not careful they will spread ALL OVER the face up

      there also great if you need to change the shade of your head (or hands) to match the body

      [​IMG]

      i'm bad at taking photos of my face ups so this is the best i got
       
    29. Logodae, I just ordered many more colors for blushing purposes and will be able to answer your question more thoroughly in a week or so once I try them out.

      But, I did use Red Iron Oxide Tint to blush and it comes out to a nice peachy color. If you want a more pink-based blushing, then that's not the color to use. This particular color will work best on white or very pale resin.

      du-hast, beautiful work!
       
    30. Anna - Thank you! Honestly you've already helped, I was looking at some even lighter 'peachy' shades than the Red Iron Oxide Tint. Sounds like I can cross those off my list. I'll definitely look forward to any more info you have to share! :)
       
    31. Logodae, I got the Red Iron Oxide Tint because I am not a fan of dark/bright blushing (at least, not for human dolls) and wanted something subtle. This color definitely delivered! A color any lighter and I doubt it will show up enough, even on white resin, unless you want to use it as a bridge color between your primary blushing color and the resin, as a sort of blending color.

      I will post back here when I get my pastels and try them out! I should get the shipment tomorrow; I'm excited to see them all :D
       
    32. I love Panpastel, I've been using them for a few years, I have the whole set. I use them along with Mount Vision figure/portrait set which I grinded down to powder and have them in little pastic containers.
       
    33. Anyone with specific color recommendations, pro/con? Right now I'm thinking:

      Blush: Red Iron Oxide Tint + Magenta Tint
      Lips: Red Iron Oxide + Permanent Red Shade
      Eyebrows: Burnt Sienna Extra Dark + Red Iron Oxide Extra Dark
      Eyeshadow: ??? ...too many blues to choose from. :sweat
       
    34. I just recently purchased 7 PanPastel colors at a local art store and although I have no doll to paint with them just yet and no doll painting experience (my first doll, DZ Anson, should be here in a month and I'm super excited) maybe it will help some people to know I have been using them to draw some portraits I was commissioned to make and they're amazing! they especially work well on my favorite Stonehenge paper!
      I agree with everyone in this thread when they say that they're super smooth and ultra vibrant, but I ditched the tools that look like palette knives for sponges and sponge brushes because the little tips break easily and were a little harder to control the pastel with.
      Just be sure you have enough sponges for each color because once you use these pastels with one it's pretty much that color forever, and I wouldn't risk having the colors blend together, especially if you're doing something light or delicate. But I did love the little make-up brush that comes in the bigger cans with the compartment in the bottom. (they even come with warnings not to use them as makeup, which I find hilarious)
      I even pulled out my makeup tools to work with them and that lent itself nicely to the portraits and the two people I painted for really loved the end result so I will definitely be buying more soon.
       
    35. I love PanPastels. They are kinda expensive but totally worth it, I think. I want to see if I can make some sort of base on a grey resin using the white, to make colors pop. Then I want to see how well they go over acrylic paint.

      The only complaint I have is that I use them with brushes instead of the sponge tools and it dose have the tendency to leave fallout on a dolls face and take kind of smallish chunks out of the pastels themselves, making loose powder on the top. Still, these are really minor things considering how nice these pastels are and I could always pick up some sponge tools to solve this problem. I managed to get consistant, even and smooth colors.

      Here's what I got with my first layer over a couple layers of MSC (I put luminescent dust stuff on top of first layer of the pastels, that's why it's kind of glittery):

      Here's what I got with a second layer over two more coats of MSC:

      (Without the dust)

      (With the dust.)
       
    36. I bought these pan pastels yesterday. They were a bit expensive, $5.99 per color, but they're almost dustless, so I think they'll last a long time and make faceups easier (no more scraping stick pastels into a tray).

      [​IMG]
       
    37. Yep! I swear by them! The powder is fine enough to use right off the pallet with a brush, and the pigmentation is high enough that less coats usually get you the color you want.

      Though I like to wear a N95 with them anyway, the first time I used them, I was still sneezing brown later that same day. It's just a good idea to wear one anyway.

      Edit: Come see what others say here:
       
    38. Yay! Thanks, Kitkaze! I tried them yesterday and was amazed at how much better they stuck to the doll's face than my other pastels. But that also meant my mistakes showed up faster, so I ended up having to start over. This was only my second try at a faceup, though.
       
    39. Yup, I use these quite a lot actually - their black is REALLY nice for doing dark, smokey looks!
       
    40. Love love love them!

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      All but the very top most bits of black towards the hocks(which is airbrush) is done using Pan Pastels, only 3 layers total.
       
    41. I am most comfortable working with pastels while doing face-ups, but wasn't quite happy with how the old Grumbacher set I had was behaving. The Volks pastels handle nicely, but the palette is very limited and the colors aren't thoroughly blended so they crush into several different colors sometimes.
      I love the rich pigments, soft texture, and greater control that the Pan Pastels give me. I bought the 5-color Greys and Earth sets to try them out, and then invested in the 20-color Portrait set. It has all the colors I need for face-ups (I don't do much bright fantasy-style stuff). I usually scrape a bit of color off each pan with the palette knife and mix it on a sheet of paper like I am mixing paint. It also behaves very well wet, so I can do all of my eyelash and eyebrow line work with pastel and a Zoukemura No. 1 or 2 brush.
      This face-up was done entirely in Pan Pastels.
      [​IMG]

      Do keep in mind that there are safety precautions you should take when working with pastels. Many artists who work with pastels as their primary medium acquire lung diseases of some kind. It is important to wear a dust mask and gloves, so that you do not fill your lungs with particulates that can cause silicosis or absorb heavy metals which can poison you over time.
       
    42. Considering buying these. The pastels I currently have aren't nearly as nice. Any tips on where to find them?
       
    43. Dickblick.com has them!
       
    44. There's a vendor on Amazon.com that has them. The five-color sets are about $23.00, which is a good discount when you think that each color individually is about $6.00 US.

      I've just started using pan pastels, and I love them!
       
    45. okay, i'm convince. i need to try some of these. thank goodness there is a retailer very near me that will let me play with them. i scrape colors and i don't always like the result. this sounds perfect
       
    46. They're great, even though I HAVE had to wipe off three faceups because I put on too MUCH color! You either want to 'water them down' with white or just be VERY sparing!
       
    47. What I love about them is how easy they go on. But you're right, dhawktx, the colors are pretty intense. And I do miss not having a wider range of shades. But like any artist tool, there's a learning curve before you master it. I'm just starting the upward climb of that curve...
       
    48. I bought small cups with screw on lids and keep my favorite mixes in there. I'd buy the shades and tints, but they are so pricey that me, being cheap, just mix them instead.
       
    49. I adore pan pastels! Spendy, but sooo worth it. I bought just a few basic colors (black, white, burnt sienna, raw umber, and red iron oxide) to start with and then loved them so much I had to pick up some brights (magenta, red, yellow, blue, purple, green) so I can blend whatever I need. They blend so easily with just a brush on a piece of paper. Add a little water and they work like paint too! I just did this faceup with almost entirely pan pastels (a little PearlEx for shimmer and acrylics for the eyelashes only). To keep the color from getting too heavy, I used a very soft brush for application and then a clean soft brush to blend, a kneaded eraser to completely lift stray color, and a dry magic eraser to lightly brush at the edges of lines that need softening. I'd so happy with the results.

      [​IMG]
       
    50. Wow! Those look heavenly!
      Can someone tell me what they're called, or link me to where I can buy them?
      They look amazing!!
       
    51. I love panpastels! I use their "Shades" set on my art dolls and props. I use dedicated makeup brushes to apply them. They work beautifully. I haven't tried the black yet, but now I'll have to pick some up. Has anyone tried their white?
       
    52. I just started using these with some makeup brushes for my basic blushing layers on faceups, and black.... I'm in love! I can't wait to get more colors and switch over completely!
       
    53. Those look amazing. I love how natural they look. Gonna have to try them myself.
       
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